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Why would politicians do any of that? Did United States House of Representatives invent anything? All these EU companies are all private enterprises and they a

by mrtksn 1y ago

Why would politicians do any of that? Did United States House of Representatives invent anything? All these EU companies are all private enterprises and they are %100 from a country in EU because there's no such thing as EU as a country, EU doesn't have companies(beyond entities created to fulfill certain functions). This too may change soon because they are looking into introducing a 28th regime which would be like virtual EU member. I think there's huge confusion on what is EU. BTW, EU has roots in "European Coal and Steel Community" and role in forming the Airbus but even in these ase it was just a facilitator. All these expectation that are based on imaginary things(don't take it personally please, I see these things all the time) shows that EU desperately needs to become a country by its own right. Its so confusing to understand what EU can and can't do, what organization is under EU control and how much.

alephnerd 1y ago
> Why would politicians do any of that? Did United States House of Representatives invent anything? Most industries in the US developed due to state and federal government subsidizes and industrial strategy. You can see this with the development of semiconductor clusters in Oregon, Arizona, and New York in the 1990s-2010s because of state level industrial policy, the development of the telecom hub in Dallas TX in the 90s becuase of Texas's state level industrial policy to leverage the telco boom, and historically Michigan and now South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and TN's industrial policy for automotive manufacturing. Furthermore, this ignores the impact that the IRA and IIJA subsidizes and investment promotion had in bringing European manufacturing industries to the US at the expense of their European operations - so much so that both France and Germany lobbied at all levels of the US during the Biden admin to try and kneecap the policy. > All these EU companies are all private enterprises and they are %100 from a country Absolutely, as are companies in the US yet our states have been open to leveraging industrial policy where possible in order to attract and retain investments. -------------- I am under no illusion that the EU is a country. Heck, if you re-read my initial comment that is my point. I know that it is Germany, France, Netherlands, etc who are setting policies, but the EU at a macro-level can help solve the coordination problem that exists amongst individual EU member states to develop industrious policies. That said the current status quo needs to end - either member states need to admit the EU as a central body is powerless and return to the pre-2000s vision of the European Union, or admit that a unified Europe is ideal and centralize. The current status quo is the worst of both worlds, because the delimitation of power is wonky, and leads to nation state-EU clashes.
- mk89 1y ago
  > either member states need to admit the EU as a central body is powerless and return to the pre-2000s vision of the European Union, Which is what's happening. This is purely self inflicted BS that we accumulated for roughly 30 years now by making it increasingly harder to say no to things we don't all agree with. Even with all the opt-outs possible, countries still have to follow strict rules to avoid huge fines as a punishment, when they all they ever wanted was free trading and movement between countries. That was pretty much it. I agree you need a coordinator for certain subjects, but that's far away from what we have today.
  - mahkeiro 1y ago
    You cannot have free trade without a common legal framework otherwise countries will just drop all norms to compete. If you think that you can have fred trade in Europe without this legal alignment I have a bridge to sell you.
    - mk89 1y ago
      Nope. Don't get the economical aspects mixed up with the political ones. EU (or EEC) up until the 1992 Maastricht treaty was exactly what people wanted/countries needed: free trade / movement of goods etc. In 1992 the good and bad of what we see today began.
mk89 1y ago
> shows that EU desperately needs to become a country by its own right And what will be the language spoken in this country? German, I guess, of French? Or English, ironically the language of the only country who left EU? And most importantly of all, what about taxes? That's another EU war right there. More than a country by its own right, we need less regulations, more freedom of trading, but that's pretty much it. Leave it to the countries to innovate and how. Some regulations are not bad, like the USB stuff, but countries should be free to choose how to do things, without committing to either long term nonsense goals nor to force some countries to accept some things their people don't agree with - in the name of xyz. EU as a single country means not understanding a single bit of our EU history, of what makes us Europeans, rather than Americans, Indians or Chinese.
- mahkeiro 1y ago
  Oh really Ireland is not a member?
  - mk89 1y ago
    I forgot they speak English there. Intuitively it's easier to think it was "due to" England, but you're right.
- scotty79 1y ago
  > And what will be the language spoken in this country? Why does that matter? There are multiple countries in the world that have more than one official language. With AI translation having multiple languages in one country is a lower barrier than ever.

by mrtksn 1y ago

alephnerd 1y ago

> Why would politicians do any of that? Did United States House of Representatives invent anything? Most industries in the US developed due to state and federal government subsidizes and industrial strategy. You can see this with the development of semiconductor clusters in Oregon, Arizona, and New York in the 1990s-2010s because of state level industrial policy, the development of the telecom hub in Dallas TX in the 90s becuase of Texas's state level industrial policy to leverage the telco boom, and historically Michigan and now South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and TN's industrial policy for automotive manufacturing. Furthermore, this ignores the impact that the IRA and IIJA subsidizes and investment promotion had in bringing European manufacturing industries to the US at the expense of their European operations - so much so that both France and Germany lobbied at all levels of the US during the Biden admin to try and kneecap the policy. > All these EU companies are all private enterprises and they are %100 from a country Absolutely, as are companies in the US yet our states have been open to leveraging industrial policy where possible in order to attract and retain investments. -------------- I am under no illusion that the EU is a country. Heck, if you re-read my initial comment that is my point. I know that it is Germany, France, Netherlands, etc who are setting policies, but the EU at a macro-level can help solve the coordination problem that exists amongst individual EU member states to develop industrious policies. That said the current status quo needs to end - either member states need to admit the EU as a central body is powerless and return to the pre-2000s vision of the European Union, or admit that a unified Europe is ideal and centralize. The current status quo is the worst of both worlds, because the delimitation of power is wonky, and leads to nation state-EU clashes.

mk89 1y ago
> either member states need to admit the EU as a central body is powerless and return to the pre-2000s vision of the European Union, Which is what's happening. This is purely self inflicted BS that we accumulated for roughly 30 years now by making it increasingly harder to say no to things we don't all agree with. Even with all the opt-outs possible, countries still have to follow strict rules to avoid huge fines as a punishment, when they all they ever wanted was free trading and movement between countries. That was pretty much it. I agree you need a coordinator for certain subjects, but that's far away from what we have today.
- mahkeiro 1y ago
  You cannot have free trade without a common legal framework otherwise countries will just drop all norms to compete. If you think that you can have fred trade in Europe without this legal alignment I have a bridge to sell you.
  - mk89 1y ago
    Nope. Don't get the economical aspects mixed up with the political ones. EU (or EEC) up until the 1992 Maastricht treaty was exactly what people wanted/countries needed: free trade / movement of goods etc. In 1992 the good and bad of what we see today began.

mk89 1y ago

> shows that EU desperately needs to become a country by its own right And what will be the language spoken in this country? German, I guess, of French? Or English, ironically the language of the only country who left EU? And most importantly of all, what about taxes? That's another EU war right there. More than a country by its own right, we need less regulations, more freedom of trading, but that's pretty much it. Leave it to the countries to innovate and how. Some regulations are not bad, like the USB stuff, but countries should be free to choose how to do things, without committing to either long term nonsense goals nor to force some countries to accept some things their people don't agree with - in the name of xyz. EU as a single country means not understanding a single bit of our EU history, of what makes us Europeans, rather than Americans, Indians or Chinese.

mahkeiro 1y ago
Oh really Ireland is not a member?
- mk89 1y ago
  I forgot they speak English there. Intuitively it's easier to think it was "due to" England, but you're right.
scotty79 1y ago
> And what will be the language spoken in this country? Why does that matter? There are multiple countries in the world that have more than one official language. With AI translation having multiple languages in one country is a lower barrier than ever.