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> They've shown less than no interest; the EU would be a great place to build software companies if the governments weren't hostile to the idea of large tech co

> They've shown less than no interest; the EU would be a great place to build software companies if the governments weren't hostile to the idea of large tech companies which is where the market wants to go. That last part is certainly true, and the big tech companies in the US and their constant abuse of customers show why we don't want it. We just need a different type of market here. We should lock out the American companies more. We can't play on the same field because we have very different values. The US care only about money, we care more about ethics. If the market wants to go there the market is wrong and we need to curtail it. Having unrestricted capitalism isn't a European value.

kakacik 1y ago
Sure, but race to the bottom brings best price/value ratio that most consumers value above some nicer underlying ethics. What race to the bottom means long term for society, ie its annihilation of middle class and proper misery for the poor who will forever stay poor to be exploited cheaply is another topic. Btw don't get me wrong, that ethics push sounds nice, all patting our backs in our little bubble slowly sliding down, but we are what, 7% of the global population? Economically still more significant, but unless we get our shit together right now and become more competitive we will slide into mediocrity soon, no way to avoid that. Chinese will easily push us away and steamroll over any tech we are still proud about. There is absolutely no reason ridiculous social and welfare systems should be in place. Ie in France, they interviewed some rioter lady - she is doing some cinematography work when she wants, but otherwise living in free apartment in heart of Paris, and getting additional welfare from state. While protesting against evil capitalism which pays for it all, expecting to be richer because... ?. She herself is insignificant, but there are fuck millions of such spoiled people out of touch with current reality out there, who grew up with very twisted socialist/communist ideologies, while expecting a stellar economy to fund their little resistance to hands feeding them. Ultra-protected corrupt and inefficient state employees that each state has too many of. There is absolutely 0 reason for any sort of green deal while rest of the world doesn't give a nanofraction of a fuck, not in 2025, not when facing a massive decline up on horizon. Thats self-harm par excellence and a great ammunition for most of eastern EU bloc and extreme right wing to get more popular, just pointing how ridiculous all that has become. But now there is no age limit for gender change, really something that all parents of kids across whole Europe need to hear now. Look, we all want to help saving the planet, but this political super-costly corrupt meh will only achieve our poverty and instability, nothing more. If you want future for Europe, I mean realistic and achievable path, look no further than ie Switzerland. Still has most European values, has stronger middle class than any EU country, has way more actual freedom than any EU country has (not joking here, look it up), but also most capitalistic country in old continent. Simple, uneducated people keep blabbing about nazi gold (still in 2025), or some evil bankers or some other hoaxes while economy is based on a very different mix of income, and primarily a population which doesn't mind putting in some hard work when needed, and not just envying and complaining all the time and expecting to be taken care of when not even trying to contribute to society by working. The difference between them and literally any other EU country is striking, and so is their future. But good luck having western EU egos accepting that somebody figured out a better way, not happening.
- fellowmartian 1y ago
  Ah yeah, a classic, “practical”, capitalist realist take.

kakacik 1y ago

Sure, but race to the bottom brings best price/value ratio that most consumers value above some nicer underlying ethics. What race to the bottom means long term for society, ie its annihilation of middle class and proper misery for the poor who will forever stay poor to be exploited cheaply is another topic. Btw don't get me wrong, that ethics push sounds nice, all patting our backs in our little bubble slowly sliding down, but we are what, 7% of the global population? Economically still more significant, but unless we get our shit together right now and become more competitive we will slide into mediocrity soon, no way to avoid that. Chinese will easily push us away and steamroll over any tech we are still proud about. There is absolutely no reason ridiculous social and welfare systems should be in place. Ie in France, they interviewed some rioter lady - she is doing some cinematography work when she wants, but otherwise living in free apartment in heart of Paris, and getting additional welfare from state. While protesting against evil capitalism which pays for it all, expecting to be richer because... ?. She herself is insignificant, but there are fuck millions of such spoiled people out of touch with current reality out there, who grew up with very twisted socialist/communist ideologies, while expecting a stellar economy to fund their little resistance to hands feeding them. Ultra-protected corrupt and inefficient state employees that each state has too many of. There is absolutely 0 reason for any sort of green deal while rest of the world doesn't give a nanofraction of a fuck, not in 2025, not when facing a massive decline up on horizon. Thats self-harm par excellence and a great ammunition for most of eastern EU bloc and extreme right wing to get more popular, just pointing how ridiculous all that has become. But now there is no age limit for gender change, really something that all parents of kids across whole Europe need to hear now. Look, we all want to help saving the planet, but this political super-costly corrupt meh will only achieve our poverty and instability, nothing more. If you want future for Europe, I mean realistic and achievable path, look no further than ie Switzerland. Still has most European values, has stronger middle class than any EU country, has way more actual freedom than any EU country has (not joking here, look it up), but also most capitalistic country in old continent. Simple, uneducated people keep blabbing about nazi gold (still in 2025), or some evil bankers or some other hoaxes while economy is based on a very different mix of income, and primarily a population which doesn't mind putting in some hard work when needed, and not just envying and complaining all the time and expecting to be taken care of when not even trying to contribute to society by working. The difference between them and literally any other EU country is striking, and so is their future. But good luck having western EU egos accepting that somebody figured out a better way, not happening.

fellowmartian 1y ago
Ah yeah, a classic, “practical”, capitalist realist take.