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>> to perform up to Apple's typical standards of polish and control. >i no longer believe they have kept on to the standards in general. One 100% agree with t

>> to perform up to Apple's typical standards of polish and control. >i no longer believe they have kept on to the standards in general. One 100% agree with this, if I compare AI's ability to speed up the baseline for me in terms of programming Golang (hard/tricky tasks clearly still require human input - watch out for I/O ops) with Apple's lack of ability to integrate it in even the simplest of ways.. things are just peculiar on the Apple front. Bit similar to how MS seems to be gradually loosing the ability to produce a version of Windows that people want to run due to organisational infighting.

lazide 1y ago
Personally, I’ve never seen an AI flow of any kind that meets what would meet the quality of a typical ‘corporate’ acceptable flow. As in, reliably works, doesn’t go crazy randomly, etc. I’ve seen a lot of things that look like they’re working for a demo, but shortly after starting to use it? Trash. Not every time (and it’s getting a little better), but often enough that personally I’ve found them a net drain on productivity. And I literally work in this space. Personally, I find apples hesitation here a breath of fresh air, because I’ve come to absolutely hate Windows - and everybody doing vibe code messes that end up being my problem.
- beyarkay 1y ago
  The regular ChatGPT 5 seems pretty reliable to me? I ~never get crazy output unless I'm pasting a jailbreak prompt I saw on twitter. It might not always meet my standards, but that's true of a lot of things.
  - pipes 1y ago
    Maybe not the same thing, but chatgpt 5 was driving me insane in visual studio co pilot last week. I seemingly could stop it from randomly changing bits of code, to the point where it was apologising then doing the same in next change even when told not to. I've now changed to asking where things are in the code base and how they work then making changes myself.
    - naasking 1y ago
      Deleting comments even when instructed not to do so is another failure mode. They definitely require more fine-tuning in these cases.
- rldjbpin 1y ago
  > Personally, I find apples hesitation here a breath of fresh air i does not appear to me as hesitation but rather an example of how they were unable to recently deliver on their marketing promises. calling a suite of incomplete features as "Apple Intelligence" means that they had much higher expectations internally, similar to how they refined as second-movers in other instances. they have a similar situation with XR now.
  - lazide 1y ago
    Everyone else just ships anyway?
- mxgrn 1y ago
  > I’ve never seen an AI flow of any kind that meets what would meet the quality of a typical ‘corporate’ acceptable flow. As in, reliably works, doesn’t go crazy randomly, etc. Jump [1] built a multi-million dollar business exactly on this, a service used by corporations in financial consultancy. [1] https://jump.ai/ https://jump.ai/

lazide 1y ago

Personally, I’ve never seen an AI flow of any kind that meets what would meet the quality of a typical ‘corporate’ acceptable flow. As in, reliably works, doesn’t go crazy randomly, etc. I’ve seen a lot of things that look like they’re working for a demo, but shortly after starting to use it? Trash. Not every time (and it’s getting a little better), but often enough that personally I’ve found them a net drain on productivity. And I literally work in this space. Personally, I find apples hesitation here a breath of fresh air, because I’ve come to absolutely hate Windows - and everybody doing vibe code messes that end up being my problem.

beyarkay 1y ago
The regular ChatGPT 5 seems pretty reliable to me? I ~never get crazy output unless I'm pasting a jailbreak prompt I saw on twitter. It might not always meet my standards, but that's true of a lot of things.
- pipes 1y ago
  Maybe not the same thing, but chatgpt 5 was driving me insane in visual studio co pilot last week. I seemingly could stop it from randomly changing bits of code, to the point where it was apologising then doing the same in next change even when told not to. I've now changed to asking where things are in the code base and how they work then making changes myself.
  - naasking 1y ago
    Deleting comments even when instructed not to do so is another failure mode. They definitely require more fine-tuning in these cases.
rldjbpin 1y ago
> Personally, I find apples hesitation here a breath of fresh air i does not appear to me as hesitation but rather an example of how they were unable to recently deliver on their marketing promises. calling a suite of incomplete features as "Apple Intelligence" means that they had much higher expectations internally, similar to how they refined as second-movers in other instances. they have a similar situation with XR now.
- lazide 1y ago
  Everyone else just ships anyway?
mxgrn 1y ago
> I’ve never seen an AI flow of any kind that meets what would meet the quality of a typical ‘corporate’ acceptable flow. As in, reliably works, doesn’t go crazy randomly, etc. Jump [1] built a multi-million dollar business exactly on this, a service used by corporations in financial consultancy. [1] https://jump.ai/ https://jump.ai/