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I was responding to someone claiming dads are just as good caretakers as moms. Clearly false.

ribosometronome 1y ago
Relitigating what's always been said seem like a waste of everyone's time, especially when you're already going to ignore the context in which you're having a discussion.
- drivebyhooting 1y ago
  I have no idea what you’re saying. You could interact with the claims made instead of making a meta point using corporate speak.
Fraterkes 1y ago
You are being intellectually dishonest. What do carrying pregnancy and breastfeeding have to do with caring for a kindergarten age child?
- drivebyhooting 1y ago
  1. Younger siblings 2. Spending enough time to teach reading and arithmetic BEFORE kindergarten. So actually in this sub thread the relevant age is 0 to 5.
  - Fraterkes 1y ago
    Breastfeeding generally stops at age 2 (or earlier). Your contention is that literacy is significantly affected by whether the mom or the dad is taking care of the child at age 2 and below?
    - drivebyhooting 1y ago
      Not just literacy but everything is significantly affected by the care rendered from 0 to 4. My concern was broader: the children’s and society’s future. By your own admission, a father cannot alone provide care for an infant. And if there are siblings then the critical time period will stretch - perhaps to 3 or 4 years. Apparently the eldest would be reading chapter books by then, according to other comments in this thread. But I do not understand it. It is a bitter choice. For mothers to have a life outside of motherhood it is the children who are deprived.
      - iteria 1y ago
        Fathers can't care for an infant alone? Damn shame that every single child with a mother who died in child birth never survived to adulthood. Damn shame. Also, just so tragic that a gay couple will never know the joy of raise a child from infancy. Pete Buttigieg has a hell of a fine imitation of an infant. Cmon what you are saying is 100% false. Men are 100% capable of caring for infants and toddlers. Formula exists and there has been no large scale study that has shown a significant long term impact for formula usage. All benefits of breastfeeding are minor or unable to be separated from characteristics of the mother. Women entering the workforce is not the death of child achievement. It is not even parents having time since there was only an extremely narrow window where the one parent household was a thing and it wasn't even the majority of the population. Income has always correlated with achievement and wealthy parents pay money for their child's enrichment not particularly engage with the children themselves. There are kindergarteners at my kid's school in tutoring to get them ahead. These kids are not even behind. That's not the mother spending time on their kid that's boosting the test scores in my district. It's wealth.
        drivebyhooting 1y ago
        There are plenty of studies. Formula is convenient but it is deficient. If it were such a perfect replacement, why do parents go to such length as breast feed, pump, or get donor milk? Breast feeding increases IQ: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26211556/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26211556/ Formula causes obesity and diabetes: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2812877/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2812877/ Breast feeding decreases infant mortality: https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-13-S3-S18 https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1... You can do more of your own research if you want to be convinced. You can ignore it if you don’t like the sound of it.

Relitigating what's always been said seem like a waste of everyone's time, especially when you're already going to ignore the context in which you're having a discussion.

drivebyhooting 1y ago
I have no idea what you’re saying. You could interact with the claims made instead of making a meta point using corporate speak.

Fraterkes 1y ago

You are being intellectually dishonest. What do carrying pregnancy and breastfeeding have to do with caring for a kindergarten age child?

drivebyhooting 1y ago
1. Younger siblings 2. Spending enough time to teach reading and arithmetic BEFORE kindergarten. So actually in this sub thread the relevant age is 0 to 5.
- Fraterkes 1y ago
  Breastfeeding generally stops at age 2 (or earlier). Your contention is that literacy is significantly affected by whether the mom or the dad is taking care of the child at age 2 and below?
  - drivebyhooting 1y ago
    Not just literacy but everything is significantly affected by the care rendered from 0 to 4. My concern was broader: the children’s and society’s future. By your own admission, a father cannot alone provide care for an infant. And if there are siblings then the critical time period will stretch - perhaps to 3 or 4 years. Apparently the eldest would be reading chapter books by then, according to other comments in this thread. But I do not understand it. It is a bitter choice. For mothers to have a life outside of motherhood it is the children who are deprived.
    - iteria 1y ago
      Fathers can't care for an infant alone? Damn shame that every single child with a mother who died in child birth never survived to adulthood. Damn shame. Also, just so tragic that a gay couple will never know the joy of raise a child from infancy. Pete Buttigieg has a hell of a fine imitation of an infant. Cmon what you are saying is 100% false. Men are 100% capable of caring for infants and toddlers. Formula exists and there has been no large scale study that has shown a significant long term impact for formula usage. All benefits of breastfeeding are minor or unable to be separated from characteristics of the mother. Women entering the workforce is not the death of child achievement. It is not even parents having time since there was only an extremely narrow window where the one parent household was a thing and it wasn't even the majority of the population. Income has always correlated with achievement and wealthy parents pay money for their child's enrichment not particularly engage with the children themselves. There are kindergarteners at my kid's school in tutoring to get them ahead. These kids are not even behind. That's not the mother spending time on their kid that's boosting the test scores in my district. It's wealth.
      - drivebyhooting 1y ago
        There are plenty of studies. Formula is convenient but it is deficient. If it were such a perfect replacement, why do parents go to such length as breast feed, pump, or get donor milk? Breast feeding increases IQ: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26211556/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26211556/ Formula causes obesity and diabetes: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2812877/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2812877/ Breast feeding decreases infant mortality: https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-13-S3-S18 https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1... You can do more of your own research if you want to be convinced. You can ignore it if you don’t like the sound of it.