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I wonder what percentage of Pixel sales ended up running Graphene. It feels like running Graphene is the only real benefit to a Pixel. I wonder if Google is get

I wonder what percentage of Pixel sales ended up running Graphene. It feels like running Graphene is the only real benefit to a Pixel. I wonder if Google is getting out of phones after Pixel 10 or 11.

imiric 1y ago
It's probably a negligible percentage. Installing custom ROMs is niche even within the tech crowd.
sndean 1y ago
Could estimate ~1% (+/- 1%) given the Graphene user estimates [1] and the tens of millions of Pixels sold at this point. [1] https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/21946-grapheneos-popularity?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/21946-grapheneos-popularity...
- giantg2 1y ago
  Interesting, I wouldn't have guessed they had tens of millions active.
  - warkdarrior 1y ago
    1% of "tens of millions" is hundreds of thousands.
ForHackernews 1y ago
Typical mind fallacy. According to one estimate, there are about 250k total GrapheneOS users https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/12281-how-many-grapheneos-users-are-there https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/12281-how-many-grapheneos-u... This source claims Google shipped 10 million devices last year https://coolest-gadgets.com/google-pixel-smartphones-statistics/ https://coolest-gadgets.com/google-pixel-smartphones-statist... If we generously assume every GrapheneOS user bought a new phone in the last year, 2.5% of those Pixels are running Graphene.
- giantg2 1y ago
  Is it a fallacy if I never made a claim about percentage?
  - dvsfish 1y ago
    I think with the suggestion made at the end about that google would be getting out of phones (for some reason - perhaps graphene causing google long term phone margins to no longer be worth it? What are you actually suggesting?) it's hard to really know what you're going for here.
esseph 1y ago
> only real benefit to running a pixel Not a phrase I expected to read, whew. Tough customers. I've been very happy with several generations of pixels at this point compared to the alternatives.
- vcxy 1y ago
  Yeah, I recently upgraded to the 9a from the 4a for $250 USD and am still really enjoying Pixels. I might just be out of the loop on what's available, but I can't imagine many other phones at this price are competitive.
  - triyambakam 1y ago
    6a to 9a here too!
  - gertop 1y ago
    The A line is still a competitive midrange (at least when on sale) and if you enjoy the pixel experience there's nothing wrong with it at all. However the regular pixel or the pro haven't been competitive in several years. This year is particularly bad because it's very close to iPhone price for less storage, less performance, worse battery life, and less easily accessible help (tech support/warranty/repair). The usual comeback is the the pixel is fast enough so it doesn't matter. And it's kinda true. But it doesn't change the fact that it's poor value, midrange hardware for premium price.
    - esseph 1y ago
      I would never ever consider an iPhone.
- walthamstow 1y ago
  I've had the Pixel 1, 3, 5 and now 10 Pro. Each of the first three were the best phone I'd ever had up to that point in time. I still miss the 5.
- giantg2 1y ago
  Just curious, what have you found them better at than competitors?

imiric 1y ago

It's probably a negligible percentage. Installing custom ROMs is niche even within the tech crowd.

sndean 1y ago

Could estimate ~1% (+/- 1%) given the Graphene user estimates [1] and the tens of millions of Pixels sold at this point. [1] https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/21946-grapheneos-popularity?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/21946-grapheneos-popularity...

giantg2 1y ago
Interesting, I wouldn't have guessed they had tens of millions active.
- warkdarrior 1y ago
  1% of "tens of millions" is hundreds of thousands.

ForHackernews 1y ago

Typical mind fallacy. According to one estimate, there are about 250k total GrapheneOS users https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/12281-how-many-grapheneos-users-are-there https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/12281-how-many-grapheneos-u... This source claims Google shipped 10 million devices last year https://coolest-gadgets.com/google-pixel-smartphones-statistics/ https://coolest-gadgets.com/google-pixel-smartphones-statist... If we generously assume every GrapheneOS user bought a new phone in the last year, 2.5% of those Pixels are running Graphene.

giantg2 1y ago
Is it a fallacy if I never made a claim about percentage?
- dvsfish 1y ago
  I think with the suggestion made at the end about that google would be getting out of phones (for some reason - perhaps graphene causing google long term phone margins to no longer be worth it? What are you actually suggesting?) it's hard to really know what you're going for here.

esseph 1y ago

> only real benefit to running a pixel Not a phrase I expected to read, whew. Tough customers. I've been very happy with several generations of pixels at this point compared to the alternatives.

vcxy 1y ago
Yeah, I recently upgraded to the 9a from the 4a for $250 USD and am still really enjoying Pixels. I might just be out of the loop on what's available, but I can't imagine many other phones at this price are competitive.
- triyambakam 1y ago
  6a to 9a here too!
- gertop 1y ago
  The A line is still a competitive midrange (at least when on sale) and if you enjoy the pixel experience there's nothing wrong with it at all. However the regular pixel or the pro haven't been competitive in several years. This year is particularly bad because it's very close to iPhone price for less storage, less performance, worse battery life, and less easily accessible help (tech support/warranty/repair). The usual comeback is the the pixel is fast enough so it doesn't matter. And it's kinda true. But it doesn't change the fact that it's poor value, midrange hardware for premium price.
  - esseph 1y ago
    I would never ever consider an iPhone.
walthamstow 1y ago
I've had the Pixel 1, 3, 5 and now 10 Pro. Each of the first three were the best phone I'd ever had up to that point in time. I still miss the 5.
giantg2 1y ago
Just curious, what have you found them better at than competitors?