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Just use paper, that's the answer. It works fine. There is simply no need at all for a machine to be involved. > You get fast preliminary results A non-prob
by rwmj 1y ago
Just use paper, that's the answer. It works fine. There is simply no need at all for a machine to be involved.
> You get fast preliminary results
A non-problem. Exit polls can do this if you really need it.
- whimsicalism 1y agoi think 2020 election proved there are strong legitimacy reasons to prefer a quick count that is almost certainly correct with subsequent paper verification
- beeflet 1y agowhat reasons
- whimsicalism 1y agopeople attribute some of the election denialism to the fact that initial results showed Trump winning followed by a very late night reversal due to delay in counting mailins
- walkabout 1y agoIt's also sometimes the case that rural and suburban precincts report before cities, which obviously slants results toward Republicans in early returns. But in the end you're dealing with people who point at a bunch of large but near-empty counties being red and only a few (very high-population) being blue as proof of a "landslide" in a race where their guy won with less than 50% of the votes cast going for him. They don't understand really basic shit. There's not much sense in going out of your way to get through skulls that dense. Whatever you do, if their leaders say "jump" they'll say "how high?" If their leaders say "fraud!" they'll say "yeah! Hang the Democrats and their collaborators!" Bend over backwards with even more safeguards, and they'll just keep being upset over the same stuff if the right people tell them to.
- whimsicalism 1y agofair enough, i can just see the potential for more uncertainty and even violence being injected to the process if it takes multiple days to declare a winner and so worry.
- TrnsltLife 1y agoDon't forget boarded up windows and all the observers sent home.
- whimsicalism 1y agowhy are you posting here, aren't there contrails and fluoride in the water for you to be worried about?
- phendrenad2 1y agoHaha yeah dude, totally. Like, what about the false pretenses for the war in Iraq? It's so cool that conspiracy theories are always wrong! (especially if they disagree with whimsicalism's personal preferences!) I guess you "care about improving people's lives" by imagining a world where everything is awesome and pretending that it's real!
- echelon 1y agoThe best systems are hybrid electronic + paper. A machine prints your ballot with your choices in large, human-readable font. You can read it before you drop it in the submission box. A QR code on the same page digitally encodes your choices. You can get near-immediate results after the election, and everything can be perfectly audited and accounted for.
- cudgy 1y agoHow do you know that the digital record matches the printed record? I fail to see how this system solves anything.
- TrnsltLife 1y agoAlso doesn't prevent massive dumps of fraudulent ballots.