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> Teachers unions are political organizations that lean left. They are never going to want to get behind anything Mississippi does. Mississippi Association of

> Teachers unions are political organizations that lean left. They are never going to want to get behind anything Mississippi does. Mississippi Association of Educators (a teacher's union that is part of the National Education Association, aka the largest union in the US) supported the efforts to improve the literacy rates.

anon291 1y ago
MAE is a wholly different beast than teacher's unions in most states. Mississippi does not require teachers to join the union, thus the union needs to compete to attract teachers. Thus, it is incentivized to actually do stuff. Usually, when people say teacher's unions (or at least when I refer to them), I refer to the set up in the most populated states like CA, NY, IL, etc, where it is a requirement for teachers to join the union, regardless of what they think of the union. I'm fine with employees banding together. What CA and other states do (require teachers to pay dues to the union) is criminal. Basically, the strength of the union correlates with educational outcomes: https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/research/how-strong-are-us-teacher-unions-state-state-comparison https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/research/how-strong-ar... As of 2006 (a bit dated), only 36% of MS teachers were in the union.
- FrustratedMonky 1y ago
  So basically Person1> Don't trust Unions. Person2> But you are using a union as an example. Person1> No, my union is better than all the other unions. Mine makes a difference, thus I'm not a commie. Person2> What?
- greenie_beans 1y ago
  It still refutes your original point: > Teachers unions are political organizations that lean left. They are never going to want to get behind anything Mississippi does. This teacher's union supported improved literacy rates in MS. Would be insane for any organization to not support that effort. Also, the most effective left leaning organizations prioritize uplifting the South, including MS.

anon291 1y ago

MAE is a wholly different beast than teacher's unions in most states. Mississippi does not require teachers to join the union, thus the union needs to compete to attract teachers. Thus, it is incentivized to actually do stuff. Usually, when people say teacher's unions (or at least when I refer to them), I refer to the set up in the most populated states like CA, NY, IL, etc, where it is a requirement for teachers to join the union, regardless of what they think of the union. I'm fine with employees banding together. What CA and other states do (require teachers to pay dues to the union) is criminal. Basically, the strength of the union correlates with educational outcomes: https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/research/how-strong-are-us-teacher-unions-state-state-comparison https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/research/how-strong-ar... As of 2006 (a bit dated), only 36% of MS teachers were in the union.

FrustratedMonky 1y ago
So basically Person1> Don't trust Unions. Person2> But you are using a union as an example. Person1> No, my union is better than all the other unions. Mine makes a difference, thus I'm not a commie. Person2> What?
greenie_beans 1y ago
It still refutes your original point: > Teachers unions are political organizations that lean left. They are never going to want to get behind anything Mississippi does. This teacher's union supported improved literacy rates in MS. Would be insane for any organization to not support that effort. Also, the most effective left leaning organizations prioritize uplifting the South, including MS.