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This take is partisan and not aligned with fact. You may be surprised to hear that Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, and Tennessee are all seeing improvements.

by tyleo 1y ago

This take is partisan and not aligned with fact. You may be surprised to hear that Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, and Tennessee are all seeing improvements. Here’s more information on that: https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/illiteracy-is-a-policy-choice https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/illiteracy-is-a-policy-choi...

gowld 1y ago
Putting a kidin 3rd grade twice, and then saying "more 4th graders can read" is just gaming the metrics. Are MS, LA, AL, TN students reading at a higher level by age ?
- tyleo 1y ago
  I disagree because learning is cumulative. If you can’t read or do math at a 3rd grade level and we shove you through 4th, 5th, etc, you enter an unrecoverable state.
consumer451 1y ago
The reason to fight against university education was laid out plainly in the 2012 Texas GOP platform. While not directly related to TFA, it clearly shows the reasoning to limit aspects of education. > Yes, you read that right. The party opposes the teaching of “higher order thinking skills” because it believes the purpose is to challenge a student’s “fixed beliefs” and undermine “parental authority.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/texas-gop-rejects-critical-thinking-skills-really/2012/07/08/gJQAHNpFXW_blog.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/texas... https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/07/01/texas-gop-platform/?sh=8496cd5666da https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/07/01/texas-go...
- WillPostForFood 1y ago
  This is a gross distortion. 2012 Texas platform did not oppose the concept of higher order thinking skills, it opposed a specific pedagogy Higher Order Teaching Skills, which was displacing knowledge based learning. Reasonable people can disagree on which works better, teaching low order skills first, or high order skills first.
  - consumer451 1y ago
    Here is the exact passage, so everyone can make up their own mind. > Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority. https://s3.amazonaws.com/texasgop_pre/assets/original/2012Platform_Final.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/texasgop_pre/assets/original/2012Pl...
    - WillPostForFood 1y ago
      Yes, they are opposing a type of modern educational program, not the concept of thinking skills. If you are familiar with elementary school curriculums, they are opposing Everyday Math or Illustrative Mathematics and supporting memorizing multiplication tables. https://illustrativemathematics.org/math-curriculum/k-5-math/ https://illustrativemathematics.org/math-curriculum/k-5-math...
      - consumer451 1y ago
        > challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority. What about that passage? Can you explain to me what "fixed beliefs" means?
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Can you explain to me what "fixed beliefs" means? Probably some blend of religious and moral values, political and civic beliefs and cultural views towards divisive issues.
        consumer451 1y ago
        Religion was my partial read for "fixed beliefs" as well. I have been alive for quite some time now, and the major battle for the young mind in the US was regarding evolution vs. literal biblical interpretation. This is the reason for charter schools, destroying the U.S. Department of Education, and much more. Those "fixed beliefs" are very fragile when exposed to new information.
mandeepj 1y ago
> This take is partisan and not aligned with fact. My comment isn’t an opinion piece; it’s just what’s out there in the real world.
Der_Einzige 1y ago
It's because they still spank children with paddles there, and you know that since Trump (and especially Trump 2.0) they've been ratcheting it up in magnitude and intensity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_corporal_punishment_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_corporal_punishment_in_... also "They can toss bunks, they can swear, and yes, they can put their hands on recruits." from our drunk boi. I'm mostly being glib (as usual) but consider that the general trend in recent times has been for a conservatification of reality, especially since covid. Places that are violent/authoritarian against the homeless are attracting more folks to move to them, hence why red sunbelt states are now doing well. Folks want violence on their children to be used to make sure they stay conforming. It's the Singapore strategy.

by tyleo 1y ago

gowld 1y ago

Putting a kidin 3rd grade twice, and then saying "more 4th graders can read" is just gaming the metrics. Are MS, LA, AL, TN students reading at a higher level by age ?

tyleo 1y ago
I disagree because learning is cumulative. If you can’t read or do math at a 3rd grade level and we shove you through 4th, 5th, etc, you enter an unrecoverable state.

consumer451 1y ago

The reason to fight against university education was laid out plainly in the 2012 Texas GOP platform. While not directly related to TFA, it clearly shows the reasoning to limit aspects of education. > Yes, you read that right. The party opposes the teaching of “higher order thinking skills” because it believes the purpose is to challenge a student’s “fixed beliefs” and undermine “parental authority.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/texas-gop-rejects-critical-thinking-skills-really/2012/07/08/gJQAHNpFXW_blog.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/texas... https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/07/01/texas-gop-platform/?sh=8496cd5666da https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/07/01/texas-go...

WillPostForFood 1y ago
This is a gross distortion. 2012 Texas platform did not oppose the concept of higher order thinking skills, it opposed a specific pedagogy Higher Order Teaching Skills, which was displacing knowledge based learning. Reasonable people can disagree on which works better, teaching low order skills first, or high order skills first.
- consumer451 1y ago
  Here is the exact passage, so everyone can make up their own mind. > Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority. https://s3.amazonaws.com/texasgop_pre/assets/original/2012Platform_Final.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/texasgop_pre/assets/original/2012Pl...
  - WillPostForFood 1y ago
    Yes, they are opposing a type of modern educational program, not the concept of thinking skills. If you are familiar with elementary school curriculums, they are opposing Everyday Math or Illustrative Mathematics and supporting memorizing multiplication tables. https://illustrativemathematics.org/math-curriculum/k-5-math/ https://illustrativemathematics.org/math-curriculum/k-5-math...
    - consumer451 1y ago
      > challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority. What about that passage? Can you explain to me what "fixed beliefs" means?
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Can you explain to me what "fixed beliefs" means? Probably some blend of religious and moral values, political and civic beliefs and cultural views towards divisive issues.
        consumer451 1y ago
        Religion was my partial read for "fixed beliefs" as well. I have been alive for quite some time now, and the major battle for the young mind in the US was regarding evolution vs. literal biblical interpretation. This is the reason for charter schools, destroying the U.S. Department of Education, and much more. Those "fixed beliefs" are very fragile when exposed to new information.

mandeepj 1y ago

> This take is partisan and not aligned with fact. My comment isn’t an opinion piece; it’s just what’s out there in the real world.

Der_Einzige 1y ago

It's because they still spank children with paddles there, and you know that since Trump (and especially Trump 2.0) they've been ratcheting it up in magnitude and intensity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_corporal_punishment_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_corporal_punishment_in_... also "They can toss bunks, they can swear, and yes, they can put their hands on recruits." from our drunk boi. I'm mostly being glib (as usual) but consider that the general trend in recent times has been for a conservatification of reality, especially since covid. Places that are violent/authoritarian against the homeless are attracting more folks to move to them, hence why red sunbelt states are now doing well. Folks want violence on their children to be used to make sure they stay conforming. It's the Singapore strategy.