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The reality is that the CEO/executive class already has developed a dislike for us and is trying to use us as “batteries” like in the Matrix.

ljlolel 1y ago
CEOs (even most VCs) are labor too
- pavel_lishin 1y ago
  Do they know it?
- toomuchtodo 1y ago
  Labor competes for compensation, CEOs compete for status (above a certain enterprise size, admittedly). Show me a CEO willingly stepping down to be replaced by generative AI. Jamie Dimon will be so bold to say AI will bring about a 3 day week (because it grabs headlines [1]) but he isn't going to give up the status of running JPMC; it's all he has besides the wealth, which does not appear to be enough. The feeling of importance and exceptionalism is baked into the identity. [1] https://fortune.com/article/jamie-dimon-jpmorgan-chase-ceo-ai-impact-working-week-3-day-100-years-future/ https://fortune.com/article/jamie-dimon-jpmorgan-chase-ceo-a...
  - Animats 1y ago
    That's the market's job. Once AI CEOs start outperforming human CEOs, investment will flow to the winners. Give it 5-10 years. (Has anyone tried an LLM on an in-basket test? [1] That's a basic test for managers.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-basket_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-basket_test
    - Eisenstein 1y ago
      Not if CEOs use their political power to make it illegal.
  - conception 1y ago
    Spoiler there’s no reason we couldn’t work three days a week now. And 100 might be pushing it, but having life expectancy to 90 as well within our grass today as well. We have just decided not to do that.
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
    - Eisenstein 1y ago
      The reason we don't have 3 day weeks is because the system rewards revenue, not worker satisfaction.
- darth_avocado 1y ago
  Until shareholders treat them as such, they will remain in the ruling class
- icedchai 1y ago
  Almost everyone is "labor" to some extent. There is always a huge customer or major investor that you are beholden to. If you are independently wealthy then you are the exception.
  - ljlolel 1y ago
    Bingo
vladms 1y ago
Do you know personally some CEO-s? I know a couple and they generally seem less empathic than the general population, so I don't think that like/dislike even applies. On the other hand, trying to do something "new" is lots of headaches, so emotions are not always a plus. I could make a parallel to doctors: you don't want a doctor to start crying in a middle of an operation because he feels bad for you, but you can't let doctors doing everything that they want - there needs to be some checks on them.
- darth_avocado 1y ago
  I would say that the parallel is not at all accurate because the relationship between a doctor and a patient undergoing surgery is not the same as the one you and I have with CEOs. And a lot of good doctors have emotions and they use them to influence patient outcomes positively.
  - Ensorceled 1y ago
    Even then, a psychopathic doctor at least has their desired outcomes mostly aligned with the patients.

ljlolel 1y ago

CEOs (even most VCs) are labor too

pavel_lishin 1y ago
Do they know it?
toomuchtodo 1y ago
Labor competes for compensation, CEOs compete for status (above a certain enterprise size, admittedly). Show me a CEO willingly stepping down to be replaced by generative AI. Jamie Dimon will be so bold to say AI will bring about a 3 day week (because it grabs headlines [1]) but he isn't going to give up the status of running JPMC; it's all he has besides the wealth, which does not appear to be enough. The feeling of importance and exceptionalism is baked into the identity. [1] https://fortune.com/article/jamie-dimon-jpmorgan-chase-ceo-ai-impact-working-week-3-day-100-years-future/ https://fortune.com/article/jamie-dimon-jpmorgan-chase-ceo-a...
- Animats 1y ago
  That's the market's job. Once AI CEOs start outperforming human CEOs, investment will flow to the winners. Give it 5-10 years. (Has anyone tried an LLM on an in-basket test? [1] That's a basic test for managers.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-basket_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-basket_test
  - Eisenstein 1y ago
    Not if CEOs use their political power to make it illegal.
- conception 1y ago
  Spoiler there’s no reason we couldn’t work three days a week now. And 100 might be pushing it, but having life expectancy to 90 as well within our grass today as well. We have just decided not to do that.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - Eisenstein 1y ago
    The reason we don't have 3 day weeks is because the system rewards revenue, not worker satisfaction.
darth_avocado 1y ago
Until shareholders treat them as such, they will remain in the ruling class
icedchai 1y ago
Almost everyone is "labor" to some extent. There is always a huge customer or major investor that you are beholden to. If you are independently wealthy then you are the exception.
- ljlolel 1y ago
  Bingo

vladms 1y ago

Do you know personally some CEO-s? I know a couple and they generally seem less empathic than the general population, so I don't think that like/dislike even applies. On the other hand, trying to do something "new" is lots of headaches, so emotions are not always a plus. I could make a parallel to doctors: you don't want a doctor to start crying in a middle of an operation because he feels bad for you, but you can't let doctors doing everything that they want - there needs to be some checks on them.

darth_avocado 1y ago
I would say that the parallel is not at all accurate because the relationship between a doctor and a patient undergoing surgery is not the same as the one you and I have with CEOs. And a lot of good doctors have emotions and they use them to influence patient outcomes positively.
- Ensorceled 1y ago
  Even then, a psychopathic doctor at least has their desired outcomes mostly aligned with the patients.