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Did you also happen to notice the quotes around my use of that word? Apparently not. But now that I have pointed that out to you why do you suppose I did that?

Did you also happen to notice the quotes around my use of that word? Apparently not. But now that I have pointed that out to you why do you suppose I did that? That was a sarcastic reference to the original claim. You also attribute to me an attitude that I did not express on here. My point all along was that the propaganda goes both ways. The government exaggerates their claims and the protesters try to minimize their violence and destructive impact. I stand by that, especially now that you have mischaracterized me several times over the course of this thread. You also describe the Chicago protests as non-violent (and you claim you know about those), but that is simply not true. Just yesterday the Broadview Illinois mayor Katrina Thompson decried the violence of the protesters in her city from Saturday night, So you are contributing to that other side of the propaganda coin by minimizing in the same way the government exaggerates. “There are too many protesters are raising their fists rather than their voices, creating chaos at the expense of the people who call Broadview home,” Thompson said in a statement. “Broadview residents lack the protestors’ privilege to return to calm, quiet neighborhoods for undisturbed rest.” https://news.wttw.com/2025/10/13/broadview-mayor-shrinks-designated-protest-area-outside-ice-facility https://news.wttw.com/2025/10/13/broadview-mayor-shrinks-des...

tptacek 1y ago
No she didn't. I'm intimately familiar with the Broadview mayor situation since it's basically the biggest news in Oak Park politics. The protests, and, much more importantly, the response they're generating from DHS, are disruptive to the neighborhood. Violence from the protesters has nothing to do with it --- there is no violence from the protesters. The protesters are middle-aged professionals the western suburbs. The article says nothing different than that, either. Whether you meant to or not, you basically made up the notion that there was violence from the protesters, which is not OK. Please be more careful.
- kcplate 1y ago
  You don’t need to chastise me. I quoted the Mayor who was quoted in a local PBS affiliate news report. If you have an issue with it’s accuracy, you should be reaching out to that affiliate and take issue with their reporting.
  - tptacek 1y ago
    I read the report, along with the mayor directly, whose every utterance shows up on our Facebook groups, and none of them say what you claim they say. Moreover, I don't have to axiomatically derive what's happening in Broadview: I live 5 minutes from there, and most of the protesters are from my own suburb.
    - kcplate 1y ago
      Congrats. You are doing exactly what I said above. I provided a link to a news story from a local PBS affiliate, pulled a direct quote from that very story which it attributed to the mayor and you either didn’t read the source story I posted, or want to claim it is inaccurate because of some special proximity knowledge you have. So be it. However, since you want to call the source into question, here is the exact statement from the Broadview mayor on the Broadview government site. That is the full statement that the story quoted—The quote I posted that you claimed was never said because it was never mentioned in Facebook posts (Wow). The PBS affiliate story was accurate, the quote was accurate to the Mayor’s statement, and frankly, you were wrong. Perhaps you should “Please be more careful”, right? From the Broadview Statement: “There are too many protesters abusing their right to protest. Too many are raising their fists rather than their voices, creating chaos at the expense of the people who call Broadview home.” https://broadview-il.gov/reference/press-releases/press-release-broadview-shrinks-protest-safety-zones/ https://broadview-il.gov/reference/press-releases/press-rele... Feel free to dispute this all you want, feel free to diminish what it says, but know that you are doing exactly what I said…propagandizing from the other side of the coin.
      - tptacek 1y ago
        The "abuse of the right to protest" has nothing to do with violence from protesters, which is a detail that you've conjured up yourself. As I've said, I'm intimately aware of the details of what's happening at the Broadview site, in part because I do local politics and live right here. I don't expect you to concede this point --- this is a message board, after all. But I have firsthand knowledge of what you're talking about as well as familiarity with your sources and am continuing to comment to make a record of the inaccuracy of your claim.
queenkjuul 1y ago
Thompson is wrong, and saying anything to try and make things go away, which is extremely disappointing, but there's still no evidence of the protestors being violent. Nearly all charges against all protestors have been dropped in court, and the extent of "violent" charges are one count of "assault of an officer" because a geriatric air force vet allowed his arm to brush an agent. Meanwhile ICE teargassed my block yesterday while my neighbors were doing nothing but standing on the corner filming. I know who's being violent and it isn't protestors. Beyond that, even the ICE behavior at Broadview isn't especially extreme. The protestors are almost all senior citizens. Nobody is rioting, starting fires, assaulting officers. Do you have evidence of such in Portland? Because if you do you should show me. Look, i asked you a simple question. "Is there evidence that parts of Portland are being burned to the ground, as the administration claims." The answer is very obviously no. So between "the sitting president outright lying about the state of reality as an excuse to federalize the national guard and violate civil liberties" and "people who are peacefully going about their lives insisting they're simply going about their lives," I'm glad you've decided both are equally dishonest and similarly motivated.
- kcplate 1y ago
  > Thompson is wrong, and saying anything to try and make things go away, which is extremely disappointing, but there's still no evidence of the protestors being violent. Nearly all charges against all protestors have been dropped in court, and the extent of "violent" charges are one count of "assault of an officer" because a geriatric air force vet allowed his arm to brush an agent. This is “spin” to minimize impact, just like I said. You are providing propaganda here. > Look, i asked you a simple question. "Is there evidence that parts of Portland are being burned to the ground, as the administration claims." The answer is very obviously no. I never made that claim, not sure why you want to keep going back to that. As I stated clearly above, I regarded those claims as an exaggeration, and even sarcastically referred to it in my comment. You choosing to apply this to me is just another example of trying to obfuscate the point of my original comment. > I'm glad you've decided both are equally dishonest and similarly motivated. I definitely stand by that. Yes, I think the government is being dishonest and think that has been quite obvious in here with two commenters I have interacted with—You just provided spin like I said you would (but at least you acknowledged what the Mayor actually said, points for that). You have tried to obfuscated my point, attributed opinions to me, and suggested I have said things I haven’t said. That’s dishonest. Another commenter outright lied and claimed the mayor never said what she said, despite the quote. I literally had to post the Mayor’s freaking statement on the city’s website to counter that BS they were spewing.
queenkjuul 1y ago
For the record, WTTW is correct in that this is what Thompson said, Thompson is disappointingly incorrect about the actions of protestors

tptacek 1y ago

No she didn't. I'm intimately familiar with the Broadview mayor situation since it's basically the biggest news in Oak Park politics. The protests, and, much more importantly, the response they're generating from DHS, are disruptive to the neighborhood. Violence from the protesters has nothing to do with it --- there is no violence from the protesters. The protesters are middle-aged professionals the western suburbs. The article says nothing different than that, either. Whether you meant to or not, you basically made up the notion that there was violence from the protesters, which is not OK. Please be more careful.

kcplate 1y ago
You don’t need to chastise me. I quoted the Mayor who was quoted in a local PBS affiliate news report. If you have an issue with it’s accuracy, you should be reaching out to that affiliate and take issue with their reporting.
- tptacek 1y ago
  I read the report, along with the mayor directly, whose every utterance shows up on our Facebook groups, and none of them say what you claim they say. Moreover, I don't have to axiomatically derive what's happening in Broadview: I live 5 minutes from there, and most of the protesters are from my own suburb.
  - kcplate 1y ago
    Congrats. You are doing exactly what I said above. I provided a link to a news story from a local PBS affiliate, pulled a direct quote from that very story which it attributed to the mayor and you either didn’t read the source story I posted, or want to claim it is inaccurate because of some special proximity knowledge you have. So be it. However, since you want to call the source into question, here is the exact statement from the Broadview mayor on the Broadview government site. That is the full statement that the story quoted—The quote I posted that you claimed was never said because it was never mentioned in Facebook posts (Wow). The PBS affiliate story was accurate, the quote was accurate to the Mayor’s statement, and frankly, you were wrong. Perhaps you should “Please be more careful”, right? From the Broadview Statement: “There are too many protesters abusing their right to protest. Too many are raising their fists rather than their voices, creating chaos at the expense of the people who call Broadview home.” https://broadview-il.gov/reference/press-releases/press-release-broadview-shrinks-protest-safety-zones/ https://broadview-il.gov/reference/press-releases/press-rele... Feel free to dispute this all you want, feel free to diminish what it says, but know that you are doing exactly what I said…propagandizing from the other side of the coin.
    - tptacek 1y ago
      The "abuse of the right to protest" has nothing to do with violence from protesters, which is a detail that you've conjured up yourself. As I've said, I'm intimately aware of the details of what's happening at the Broadview site, in part because I do local politics and live right here. I don't expect you to concede this point --- this is a message board, after all. But I have firsthand knowledge of what you're talking about as well as familiarity with your sources and am continuing to comment to make a record of the inaccuracy of your claim.

queenkjuul 1y ago

Thompson is wrong, and saying anything to try and make things go away, which is extremely disappointing, but there's still no evidence of the protestors being violent. Nearly all charges against all protestors have been dropped in court, and the extent of "violent" charges are one count of "assault of an officer" because a geriatric air force vet allowed his arm to brush an agent. Meanwhile ICE teargassed my block yesterday while my neighbors were doing nothing but standing on the corner filming. I know who's being violent and it isn't protestors. Beyond that, even the ICE behavior at Broadview isn't especially extreme. The protestors are almost all senior citizens. Nobody is rioting, starting fires, assaulting officers. Do you have evidence of such in Portland? Because if you do you should show me. Look, i asked you a simple question. "Is there evidence that parts of Portland are being burned to the ground, as the administration claims." The answer is very obviously no. So between "the sitting president outright lying about the state of reality as an excuse to federalize the national guard and violate civil liberties" and "people who are peacefully going about their lives insisting they're simply going about their lives," I'm glad you've decided both are equally dishonest and similarly motivated.

kcplate 1y ago
> Thompson is wrong, and saying anything to try and make things go away, which is extremely disappointing, but there's still no evidence of the protestors being violent. Nearly all charges against all protestors have been dropped in court, and the extent of "violent" charges are one count of "assault of an officer" because a geriatric air force vet allowed his arm to brush an agent. This is “spin” to minimize impact, just like I said. You are providing propaganda here. > Look, i asked you a simple question. "Is there evidence that parts of Portland are being burned to the ground, as the administration claims." The answer is very obviously no. I never made that claim, not sure why you want to keep going back to that. As I stated clearly above, I regarded those claims as an exaggeration, and even sarcastically referred to it in my comment. You choosing to apply this to me is just another example of trying to obfuscate the point of my original comment. > I'm glad you've decided both are equally dishonest and similarly motivated. I definitely stand by that. Yes, I think the government is being dishonest and think that has been quite obvious in here with two commenters I have interacted with—You just provided spin like I said you would (but at least you acknowledged what the Mayor actually said, points for that). You have tried to obfuscated my point, attributed opinions to me, and suggested I have said things I haven’t said. That’s dishonest. Another commenter outright lied and claimed the mayor never said what she said, despite the quote. I literally had to post the Mayor’s freaking statement on the city’s website to counter that BS they were spewing.

queenkjuul 1y ago

For the record, WTTW is correct in that this is what Thompson said, Thompson is disappointingly incorrect about the actions of protestors