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GNOME essentially gutted itself when it switched away from GNOME 2. Somehow they still stuck around as a broken default. Go figure. IIRC, then a lot of docum

GNOME essentially gutted itself when it switched away from GNOME 2. Somehow they still stuck around as a broken default. Go figure. IIRC, then a lot of documentation still mentions GNOME first and then KDE second. Furthermore, Ubuntu without the prefix is GNOME. Kubuntu is KDE. And all the others like Lubuntu, etc. all seem "special" to casual users. Think of what the average university student installs in a VM, when they need to run some random command-line tool. Plain stock Ubuntu. And GNOME lives on as a sorry excuse for a bad copy of MacOS desktop looks without the feel.

guerrilla 1y ago
As a long-time GNOME user, I support this sentiment entirely. What a disaster. It keeps getting worse too. Now you can barely even tell foreground from background windows thanks to this Adwaita bullshit. First they removed all the features, now they're removing all of the visual information.
- dandellion 1y ago
  Same, I've using GNOME for a long time and haven't switched yet out of laziness and being busy with other things, but the next time I have to upgrade my laptop I'm giving KDE a spin, I'm tired of GNOME replacing useful features with... nothing. They deprecate something and replace it with an app that looks sleek because it has no buttons, and it has no buttons because it has none of the features that I use. And this has happened with the file browser, the image browser, the pdf browser, the text editor... I've lost count. GNOME is seriously worse to use now than it was 15 years ago. At this point I'm not sure what they have left to butcher, but every new version they seem to surprise me with something new they found to mess with.
  - guerrilla 1y ago
    It's not just worse. It's MUCH worse. I'm in the same boat. I want to change but I don't know what to and haven't had the energy to put into that yet. This desktop is dead though and they're just beating it's dead corpse at this point. I've tried KDE a few times and it was just too disorganized for me, so I might just do something simpler like awesome or one of those tiling things and add in what I want. I used to just use openbox. There must be something equally simple for Wayland.
    - abrouwers 1y ago
      Gnome isn't dead - it looks more consistent, and in my experience, is running smoothet and cleaner than it ever has (including gnome2 days). It's fine that it's not for you, but comments like this are insane, and not healthy. It's 2025, we don't need to I sult software we don't want to use - just don't use it. (And, threatening to move back to something like openbox, because gnome is too simple and degraded, is extra hilarious)
      - guerrilla 1y ago
        What GNOME was is completely dead. All of that flexibility and all of those features are gone. This thing here is something else wearing it's dead corpse. > consistent Ah yes, very consistent with two entirely different sets of window borders (GTK3 and Adwaita).
        abrouwers 1y ago
        By contrast, I find kde/plasma much more confusing for window borders. I see kvantum, dekorator, breeze forks, something called "klassy," etc. I appreciate gnome's ability to sometimes cut the legacy cord.
    - WD-42 1y ago
      It’s far from dead. Take a look at the gnome circle apps as a demonstration of how many good applications are being written for gnome these days. I believe a large part of this is due to the fact that to use QT you are still stuck with either C++ or Python, whereas there are a ton of gnome apps being written in JS and Rust now.
      - anthk 1y ago
        >JS Where's Vala?
      - MegaDeKay 1y ago
        These are pretty small apps. "Binary" converts numbers between bases. Wonderful. Meanwhile, more than a few large applications have switched away from GTK to Qt including Wireshark, Openshot, and now Audacity. How many large apps have switched the other way?
- array_key_first 1y ago
  To be fair to gnome, most modern software has moved this way. It's bad and I hate it, but at least it's not surprising.
- apt-get 1y ago
  I finally took the plunge and upgraded from Ubuntu 22.04 to 24.04 on my work laptop. With that come all the gnome package updates and such. I reboot, load up my session, and a little while after need to grab a couple files from a zip archive. I double-click it in Nautilus, nothing happens. I give it a couple more clicks before I suspect something broke, right click it, and see "Extract" as... the default cursor action...? I go back up and see five fresh copies of the folder that was inside the zip. I delete them all, go back to the file itself, right click, open with > file-roller. I try and drag'n'drop the couple files I need: doesn't work, for some reason. Great, they've broken drag and drop, too. I look it up, stumble on https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/file-roller/-/issues/4 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/file-roller/-/issues/4, 7 years old issue -- I can already tell this is gonna be a joy; scroll down some, see https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/file-roller/-/issues/4#note_1866306 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/file-roller/-/issues/4#note_1..., and audibly groan. > is drag and drop extraction from Nautilus (or other file managers) really that important? Why, yes it is! It's even worse if you go and _break_ drag'n'drop support on X11! I'm not even using Wayland! But, oh well, looks like file-roller is unmaintained and outside of core Gnome scope now. Nautilus' zip capabilities are enough, they say! Why would a user want to inspect the contents of a zip archive before wanting to extract it, or god forbid select specific files, after all? Definitely not worth keeping as a core OS/DE feature. And the PR on file-roller that fixes this on wayland with... a custom fuse virtual filesystem?! has been untouched for the past 2 years, never to be merged. I'm moving to KDE, thank you very much.
  - guerrilla 1y ago
    Yep. This and a million other features just keep evaporating. Every few months we get a new downgrade.
  - tuna74 1y ago
    "> is drag and drop extraction from Nautilus (or other file managers) really that important? Why, yes it is! It's even worse if you go and _break_ drag'n'drop support on X11! I'm not even using Wayland!" It is apparently not important enough for anyone to actually work on it. But maybe it is for you?
wkat4242 1y ago
Kubuntu isn't really feature complete compared to Ubuntu, for example the installer doesn't allow to create a zfs on root install.
- dapperdrake 1y ago
  Wow. Ran Kubuntu and never noticed this. This makes the "special" Unbuntu derivatives even less interesting to casual users.
  - bmicraft 1y ago
    Zfs is pretty much the only thing, everything else is exactly the same after the system is installed
- fooker 1y ago
  zfs on Linux has not been production ready for decades. People have lost data from it. There's no real reason to allow the default installer to do this. If you understand the risks, you can do it yourself.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
    > zfs on Linux has not been production ready for decades. People have lost data from it. I don't think that's true. Other than with ZFS-native encryption, which I grant has been less reliable, it's been rock solid for a very long time. And I've run >1PB of postgres databases on it professionally, so I feel fairly comfortable in that assertion. > There's no real reason to allow the default installer to do this. The default Ubuntu installer at least used to support ZFS, which is the point.
    - fooker 1y ago
      If you Google zfs Linux data loss, you can find many posts about this. Including one lengthy discussion on HN. Also, you are not the typical user installing the OS from the default installer. I am not saying ZFS is bad, but not including it in the default installer is no big deal.
bogwog 1y ago
> And GNOME lives on as a sorry excuse for a bad copy of MacOS desktop looks without the feel. This is an inaccurate description. GNOME is a copy of (the worst parts of) Windows 8 and Mac OS, not just Mac OS. But seriously, GNOME isn't that bad, and there are people who genuinely enjoy it over KDE. Choice is what makes the Linux ecosystem great. However, I do agree that KDE is probably a saner default than GNOME, if the goal is to make the transition from Windows to Linux easier. GNOME is (probably) less buggy than KDE, simply due to having less features overall, but the UX is going to be completely alien and off-putting to most casual users.
- Spunkie 1y ago
  If I look back at it, GNOME is likely responsible for me abandoning all of my attempts to transition to linux when I was younger. I had no idea KDE or alt desktop environments even existed back then and even now distros don't make it easy to discover/experiment with them. It's to the point I have some internal bias against trusting any distro that uses GNOME as the default. I hope in the future KDE overtakes GNOME to become the "standard linux" experience.
  - tuna74 1y ago
    The most used Linux user space is Android and the second is probably ChromeOS.
thefifthsetpin 1y ago
Are there any active gnome 2 forks? That's when I left gnome, too, and I haven't found anything I like as well.
- bityard 1y ago
  MATE was forked around the time GNOME 3 was released and is still going. https://mate-desktop.org https://mate-desktop.org Some people consider Cinnamon to be a GNOME 2 spiritual successor while still using a lot of GNOME 3 stuff under the hood. https://projects.linuxmint.com/cinnamon/ https://projects.linuxmint.com/cinnamon/
  - cardanome 1y ago
    Yeah, Cinnamon is amazing. Traditional desktop and just works.
monooso 1y ago
Personally I really like GNOME, and don't in any way consider it a "sorry excuse". It's not perfect, of course, and it may not be to your liking, but that's just personal preference. I don't particularly care for KDE, but I don't go around spouting vitriol about it for no good reason.
mschuster91 1y ago
GNOME was ... weird in an uncool way even in version 2 if you ask me. The file picker dialog I distinctly 'member being particularly bad.
WD-42 1y ago
It’s the default because it’s much easier to provide a consistent desktop with gnome compared to KDE. Let’s face it, most quality Linux desktop apps use GTK. Even Firefox uses gtk. So you can make KDE the default but you’re going to be forced to ship a smattering of gnome/gtk apps anyway with different ui/ux and looks. On the other hand, you can easily ship a GNOME desktop without even shipping qt libraries at all.
- zetanor 1y ago
  > Let's face it, most quality Linux desktop apps use GTK. My only dependents of GTK are Qalculate, Chromium and Firefox. I do not use the GTK version of Qalculate (but the Arch package includes it anyway) and I would never count modern web browsers as having a significant dependency on any UI toolkit. Am I missing out on a high quality Linux desktop experience?
- andmarios 1y ago
  I would argue it's the other way round. :) Even GIMP, the one GTK app I would never expect to be surpassed by a KDE app, is being outdone by Krita these days.
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- morshu9001 1y ago
  Is this an actual usability problem, or is the UI just less pretty when you use GTK apps in KDE?
- MegaDeKay 1y ago
  > Let’s face it, most quality Linux desktop apps use GTK. As I wrote above, more than a few large applications have switched away from GTK to Qt including Wireshark, Openshot, and now Audacity. How many large apps have switched the other way? Then there are the "quality" apps that have always been on the Qt / KDE side of the fence: Kdenlive, FreeCAD, Krita, Scribus, qBittorrent, Qt Creator, Dolphin... And that's free software. It is a slam dunk for Qt on the commercial side.
amlib 1y ago
> GNOME essentially gutted itself when it switched away from GNOME 2. It gutted itself because quite frankly it was anemic at best. I was a heavy KDE 3 user back then and I vastly preferred it compared to gnome 2, but as a long time linux user I also recognize that ALL desktop linux solutions were pretty rough back them. This "gutting" was certainly painful and questionable but what we have today, KDE 6 (it also went trough painful changes in KDE 4) and GNOME 49 are leagues ahead of what we had back them and I honestly think it's important for both of these DE to remain distinct. > And GNOME lives on as a sorry excuse for a bad copy of MacOS desktop looks without the feel. It feels nothing like MacOS because it doesn't have 40 years of macintosh baggage in it, resulting in it being much more approachable for PC/windows users. I dare say GNOME earns it's distinction of being neither mac or windows, but it's own thing. It is very usable and approachable across beginners and advanced users, but lacks that depth you encounter in the competition.
- anthk 1y ago
  TBH Gnome 2 (initially) was half-inspired from Mac OS 9. Specially the former spatial mode in Nautilus.
- bmicraft 1y ago
  Minor correction, the K Desktop Environment is instead called KDE Plasma starting with version 4
tuna74 1y ago
"How do you know if someone does not like Gnome? Don't worry, they will tell you." It is very rare that people who use Gnome feel the need to shit on other DEs, but the opposite seems to be pretty common.
- bmicraft 1y ago
  Not surprising, when gnome it's already the default everywhere. GNOME is polarizing with its feature minimalism and non-traditional desktop, and many people therefore are unhappy it's the default choice in all the big distros.
  - tuna74 1y ago
    Then why are not other distros that provide other defaults "big". Why do people use distros that lack the features that they want?
  - Sammi 1y ago
    Gnome is just plain not the best choice for default. More people are better served with KDE for instance.
- dingnuts 1y ago
  That's a wild anecdote. I avoided KDE for YEARS because the guy that got me into desktop Linux told me it was terrible and I took his advice as a given. He and the folks he introduced me to all talked massive shit about KDE, and they used Gnome. This was back around the time Gnome 3 came out. Oh and when I switched to Plasma two years ago, a GNOME user I used to be friends with came out of the woodwork to tell me how shit KDE is keep your anecdotal stereotypes to yourself bud. Maybe the real anecdote is that the people you know are unpleasant? notably, I'm not in contact with the people I've told this story about, anymore.
  - cardanome 1y ago
    To be fair, the transition to KDE 4 was super painful. It was basically the Python 3 moment for KDE but worse because they removed a lot of features and gave you a buggy mess instead. Considering Gnome 3 released like three years after that it makes sense that he you would have discouraged you from using KDE. It took KDE many years to recover from that. Of course using Gnome 3 instead is a bit extreme. Even broken KDE 4 was probably preferable to that. He should have recommended Xfce or something. KDE these days is pretty amazing and for sure worth checking out. Though I sometimes still mourn the greatness that was KDE 3.5 even to this day and I am rocking Cinnamon these days.

guerrilla 1y ago

As a long-time GNOME user, I support this sentiment entirely. What a disaster. It keeps getting worse too. Now you can barely even tell foreground from background windows thanks to this Adwaita bullshit. First they removed all the features, now they're removing all of the visual information.

dandellion 1y ago
Same, I've using GNOME for a long time and haven't switched yet out of laziness and being busy with other things, but the next time I have to upgrade my laptop I'm giving KDE a spin, I'm tired of GNOME replacing useful features with... nothing. They deprecate something and replace it with an app that looks sleek because it has no buttons, and it has no buttons because it has none of the features that I use. And this has happened with the file browser, the image browser, the pdf browser, the text editor... I've lost count. GNOME is seriously worse to use now than it was 15 years ago. At this point I'm not sure what they have left to butcher, but every new version they seem to surprise me with something new they found to mess with.
- guerrilla 1y ago
  It's not just worse. It's MUCH worse. I'm in the same boat. I want to change but I don't know what to and haven't had the energy to put into that yet. This desktop is dead though and they're just beating it's dead corpse at this point. I've tried KDE a few times and it was just too disorganized for me, so I might just do something simpler like awesome or one of those tiling things and add in what I want. I used to just use openbox. There must be something equally simple for Wayland.
  - abrouwers 1y ago
    Gnome isn't dead - it looks more consistent, and in my experience, is running smoothet and cleaner than it ever has (including gnome2 days). It's fine that it's not for you, but comments like this are insane, and not healthy. It's 2025, we don't need to I sult software we don't want to use - just don't use it. (And, threatening to move back to something like openbox, because gnome is too simple and degraded, is extra hilarious)
    - guerrilla 1y ago
      What GNOME was is completely dead. All of that flexibility and all of those features are gone. This thing here is something else wearing it's dead corpse. > consistent Ah yes, very consistent with two entirely different sets of window borders (GTK3 and Adwaita).
      - abrouwers 1y ago
        By contrast, I find kde/plasma much more confusing for window borders. I see kvantum, dekorator, breeze forks, something called "klassy," etc. I appreciate gnome's ability to sometimes cut the legacy cord.
  - WD-42 1y ago
    It’s far from dead. Take a look at the gnome circle apps as a demonstration of how many good applications are being written for gnome these days. I believe a large part of this is due to the fact that to use QT you are still stuck with either C++ or Python, whereas there are a ton of gnome apps being written in JS and Rust now.
    - anthk 1y ago
      >JS Where's Vala?
    - MegaDeKay 1y ago
      These are pretty small apps. "Binary" converts numbers between bases. Wonderful. Meanwhile, more than a few large applications have switched away from GTK to Qt including Wireshark, Openshot, and now Audacity. How many large apps have switched the other way?
array_key_first 1y ago
To be fair to gnome, most modern software has moved this way. It's bad and I hate it, but at least it's not surprising.
apt-get 1y ago
I finally took the plunge and upgraded from Ubuntu 22.04 to 24.04 on my work laptop. With that come all the gnome package updates and such. I reboot, load up my session, and a little while after need to grab a couple files from a zip archive. I double-click it in Nautilus, nothing happens. I give it a couple more clicks before I suspect something broke, right click it, and see "Extract" as... the default cursor action...? I go back up and see five fresh copies of the folder that was inside the zip. I delete them all, go back to the file itself, right click, open with > file-roller. I try and drag'n'drop the couple files I need: doesn't work, for some reason. Great, they've broken drag and drop, too. I look it up, stumble on https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/file-roller/-/issues/4 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/file-roller/-/issues/4, 7 years old issue -- I can already tell this is gonna be a joy; scroll down some, see https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/file-roller/-/issues/4#note_1866306 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/file-roller/-/issues/4#note_1..., and audibly groan. > is drag and drop extraction from Nautilus (or other file managers) really that important? Why, yes it is! It's even worse if you go and _break_ drag'n'drop support on X11! I'm not even using Wayland! But, oh well, looks like file-roller is unmaintained and outside of core Gnome scope now. Nautilus' zip capabilities are enough, they say! Why would a user want to inspect the contents of a zip archive before wanting to extract it, or god forbid select specific files, after all? Definitely not worth keeping as a core OS/DE feature. And the PR on file-roller that fixes this on wayland with... a custom fuse virtual filesystem?! has been untouched for the past 2 years, never to be merged. I'm moving to KDE, thank you very much.
- guerrilla 1y ago
  Yep. This and a million other features just keep evaporating. Every few months we get a new downgrade.
- tuna74 1y ago
  "> is drag and drop extraction from Nautilus (or other file managers) really that important? Why, yes it is! It's even worse if you go and _break_ drag'n'drop support on X11! I'm not even using Wayland!" It is apparently not important enough for anyone to actually work on it. But maybe it is for you?

wkat4242 1y ago

Kubuntu isn't really feature complete compared to Ubuntu, for example the installer doesn't allow to create a zfs on root install.

dapperdrake 1y ago
Wow. Ran Kubuntu and never noticed this. This makes the "special" Unbuntu derivatives even less interesting to casual users.
- bmicraft 1y ago
  Zfs is pretty much the only thing, everything else is exactly the same after the system is installed
fooker 1y ago
zfs on Linux has not been production ready for decades. People have lost data from it. There's no real reason to allow the default installer to do this. If you understand the risks, you can do it yourself.
- yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
  > zfs on Linux has not been production ready for decades. People have lost data from it. I don't think that's true. Other than with ZFS-native encryption, which I grant has been less reliable, it's been rock solid for a very long time. And I've run >1PB of postgres databases on it professionally, so I feel fairly comfortable in that assertion. > There's no real reason to allow the default installer to do this. The default Ubuntu installer at least used to support ZFS, which is the point.
  - fooker 1y ago
    If you Google zfs Linux data loss, you can find many posts about this. Including one lengthy discussion on HN. Also, you are not the typical user installing the OS from the default installer. I am not saying ZFS is bad, but not including it in the default installer is no big deal.

bogwog 1y ago

> And GNOME lives on as a sorry excuse for a bad copy of MacOS desktop looks without the feel. This is an inaccurate description. GNOME is a copy of (the worst parts of) Windows 8 and Mac OS, not just Mac OS. But seriously, GNOME isn't that bad, and there are people who genuinely enjoy it over KDE. Choice is what makes the Linux ecosystem great. However, I do agree that KDE is probably a saner default than GNOME, if the goal is to make the transition from Windows to Linux easier. GNOME is (probably) less buggy than KDE, simply due to having less features overall, but the UX is going to be completely alien and off-putting to most casual users.

Spunkie 1y ago
If I look back at it, GNOME is likely responsible for me abandoning all of my attempts to transition to linux when I was younger. I had no idea KDE or alt desktop environments even existed back then and even now distros don't make it easy to discover/experiment with them. It's to the point I have some internal bias against trusting any distro that uses GNOME as the default. I hope in the future KDE overtakes GNOME to become the "standard linux" experience.
- tuna74 1y ago
  The most used Linux user space is Android and the second is probably ChromeOS.

thefifthsetpin 1y ago

Are there any active gnome 2 forks? That's when I left gnome, too, and I haven't found anything I like as well.

bityard 1y ago
MATE was forked around the time GNOME 3 was released and is still going. https://mate-desktop.org https://mate-desktop.org Some people consider Cinnamon to be a GNOME 2 spiritual successor while still using a lot of GNOME 3 stuff under the hood. https://projects.linuxmint.com/cinnamon/ https://projects.linuxmint.com/cinnamon/
- cardanome 1y ago
  Yeah, Cinnamon is amazing. Traditional desktop and just works.

monooso 1y ago

Personally I really like GNOME, and don't in any way consider it a "sorry excuse". It's not perfect, of course, and it may not be to your liking, but that's just personal preference. I don't particularly care for KDE, but I don't go around spouting vitriol about it for no good reason.

mschuster91 1y ago

GNOME was ... weird in an uncool way even in version 2 if you ask me. The file picker dialog I distinctly 'member being particularly bad.

WD-42 1y ago

It’s the default because it’s much easier to provide a consistent desktop with gnome compared to KDE. Let’s face it, most quality Linux desktop apps use GTK. Even Firefox uses gtk. So you can make KDE the default but you’re going to be forced to ship a smattering of gnome/gtk apps anyway with different ui/ux and looks. On the other hand, you can easily ship a GNOME desktop without even shipping qt libraries at all.

zetanor 1y ago
> Let's face it, most quality Linux desktop apps use GTK. My only dependents of GTK are Qalculate, Chromium and Firefox. I do not use the GTK version of Qalculate (but the Arch package includes it anyway) and I would never count modern web browsers as having a significant dependency on any UI toolkit. Am I missing out on a high quality Linux desktop experience?
andmarios 1y ago
I would argue it's the other way round. :) Even GIMP, the one GTK app I would never expect to be surpassed by a KDE app, is being outdone by Krita these days.
- deleted 1y ago
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morshu9001 1y ago
Is this an actual usability problem, or is the UI just less pretty when you use GTK apps in KDE?
MegaDeKay 1y ago
> Let’s face it, most quality Linux desktop apps use GTK. As I wrote above, more than a few large applications have switched away from GTK to Qt including Wireshark, Openshot, and now Audacity. How many large apps have switched the other way? Then there are the "quality" apps that have always been on the Qt / KDE side of the fence: Kdenlive, FreeCAD, Krita, Scribus, qBittorrent, Qt Creator, Dolphin... And that's free software. It is a slam dunk for Qt on the commercial side.

amlib 1y ago

> GNOME essentially gutted itself when it switched away from GNOME 2. It gutted itself because quite frankly it was anemic at best. I was a heavy KDE 3 user back then and I vastly preferred it compared to gnome 2, but as a long time linux user I also recognize that ALL desktop linux solutions were pretty rough back them. This "gutting" was certainly painful and questionable but what we have today, KDE 6 (it also went trough painful changes in KDE 4) and GNOME 49 are leagues ahead of what we had back them and I honestly think it's important for both of these DE to remain distinct. > And GNOME lives on as a sorry excuse for a bad copy of MacOS desktop looks without the feel. It feels nothing like MacOS because it doesn't have 40 years of macintosh baggage in it, resulting in it being much more approachable for PC/windows users. I dare say GNOME earns it's distinction of being neither mac or windows, but it's own thing. It is very usable and approachable across beginners and advanced users, but lacks that depth you encounter in the competition.

anthk 1y ago
TBH Gnome 2 (initially) was half-inspired from Mac OS 9. Specially the former spatial mode in Nautilus.
bmicraft 1y ago
Minor correction, the K Desktop Environment is instead called KDE Plasma starting with version 4

tuna74 1y ago

"How do you know if someone does not like Gnome? Don't worry, they will tell you." It is very rare that people who use Gnome feel the need to shit on other DEs, but the opposite seems to be pretty common.

bmicraft 1y ago
Not surprising, when gnome it's already the default everywhere. GNOME is polarizing with its feature minimalism and non-traditional desktop, and many people therefore are unhappy it's the default choice in all the big distros.
- tuna74 1y ago
  Then why are not other distros that provide other defaults "big". Why do people use distros that lack the features that they want?
- Sammi 1y ago
  Gnome is just plain not the best choice for default. More people are better served with KDE for instance.
dingnuts 1y ago
That's a wild anecdote. I avoided KDE for YEARS because the guy that got me into desktop Linux told me it was terrible and I took his advice as a given. He and the folks he introduced me to all talked massive shit about KDE, and they used Gnome. This was back around the time Gnome 3 came out. Oh and when I switched to Plasma two years ago, a GNOME user I used to be friends with came out of the woodwork to tell me how shit KDE is keep your anecdotal stereotypes to yourself bud. Maybe the real anecdote is that the people you know are unpleasant? notably, I'm not in contact with the people I've told this story about, anymore.
- cardanome 1y ago
  To be fair, the transition to KDE 4 was super painful. It was basically the Python 3 moment for KDE but worse because they removed a lot of features and gave you a buggy mess instead. Considering Gnome 3 released like three years after that it makes sense that he you would have discouraged you from using KDE. It took KDE many years to recover from that. Of course using Gnome 3 instead is a bit extreme. Even broken KDE 4 was probably preferable to that. He should have recommended Xfce or something. KDE these days is pretty amazing and for sure worth checking out. Though I sometimes still mourn the greatness that was KDE 3.5 even to this day and I am rocking Cinnamon these days.