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The only indisputable fact about the Kirk assassin was that he had access to a bad ass rifle and knew how to use it. Like many shooters, he was a gun nut with p

by jjcob 1y ago

The only indisputable fact about the Kirk assassin was that he had access to a bad ass rifle and knew how to use it. Like many shooters, he was a gun nut with psychological issues. You claiming that he was "a leftist" is exactly the tribalism you complain about.

aydyn 1y ago
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- jjcob 1y ago
  For someone complaining about tribalism, it seems odd that you focus so much on which of two political sides we should put a shooter.
  - aydyn 1y ago
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    - therealpygon 1y ago
      Sure, if you want to ignore the half of the equation of tribalism that you’re exhibiting. Labeling things as NOT one side is ALSO tribalism… like repeatedly trying to point out someone is a “leftist” because they share some ideologies with the left. You are just as much the problem you are attempting to point the finger with.
      - aydyn 1y ago
        Not at all. The context of the thread was the twitter page where tons of people/bots were inaccurately labeling the guy as MAGA. Correcting that is not tribalism because it is truthful. That you see it as tribalism is projection.
        therealpygon 1y ago
        Yes, that is usually what people suffering from delusions say; that they “are speaking the truth”.
    - dahart 1y ago
      Tribalism is having a side that you calls yours.
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- netsharc 1y ago
  You are literally doing what you're describing, man! Do you not see that you are also engulfed in tribalism?! You grasp on to any little shred of factoid (who cares if true or not) to put anyone you don't like as "the other tribe".. "Oh he donated $1 to Biden! Fucking leftist!". "Oh a report says his mom said he's a leftist?! I fucking knew it!". It's sad. It's even sadder if you can't see it in yourself.
  - aydyn 1y ago
    As I said before, being truthful is a defense against the accusation of tribalism. Because frankly, you dont know me and you dont know my intentions. Thats not the case when you blatantly lie like those in that twitter thread. His mom saying he was a leftie is not "a little factoid". Its also far from the only piece of evidence. Please get real.
- Bluestrike2 1y ago
  These questions are almost always more complex and nuanced than simply left or right. I agree with you on the second part to a degree—insomuch as the modern media landscape pushes people to quickly label shooters and tends to disincentivize any sort of nuance—but might you be doing the same here? The charging document[0] said that his mother claimed "that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented." There's also a text message he sent, which said "since trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga." That's it. Acquaintances said "he wasn't too fond of Trump or Charlie [Kirk]," but we still haven't seen much that explains the specifics of why beyond the gay and trans rights angle. A former high school classmate said "[w]hen I knew him and his family, they were like diehard Trump" and that he was politically conservative and supported Trump "ahead of the 2020 election."[1] As for what changed and why, we don't know. Did he stop supporting Trump because of gay and trans rights? Did he still believe in other conservative ideas? Simply labeling him as a leftist implies a cohesive ideology, but ideology is rarely so simple or straightforward even for normal people who don't decide to commit political assassinations. Beyond that, a lot of even ideologically-motivated shooters have some awfully peculiar and non-cohesive ideologies. If the suspect agrees with 80% of a particular tribe's most common views, but that last 20% consists of some truly batshit ideas that have very little if any support, are they still a member of that tribe? Would that tribe even want them? Would they themselves want to be part of that tribe? Plenty of conservatives who believed fully in the movement's ideas broke with Trump in 2016 solely on the basis of his personal character. They can also grab onto ideas from other tribes, to the point where investigators wind up crawling through something that's less a cohesive political ideology and more a smorgasbord of ideas they pinned together. I mean, hell, you've got to have a screw or two loose to think a political assassination is going to somehow lessen--let alone stop--anti-gay and/or anti-trans sentiment. Run that idea past pretty much any left-leaning politician, activist, or political junkie, and they'll tell you you're a moron, likely right before giving the FBI a call. 0. https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2025/09/tyler-robinson-charging-document-assassination-charlie-kirk.pdf https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2025/... 1. https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/12/us/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-invs https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/12/us/tyler-robinson-charlie-kir...
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rustystump 1y ago
As much as i hate it this does prove the other commenters point. They guy was at the very least indisputably not right wing. Leftist? Maybe not too political of a take for me but he was no maganut at the time of the act.
- backscratches 1y ago
  You mean other than the extreme right wing nick Fuentes mems he wrote on the bullets? Smdh
  - aydyn 1y ago
    /s or... You know that was deliberate misinformation and disproven right?
    - backscratches 1y ago
      You're going to have to post some evidence bud. I can't find anyone denying the engravings existed. Nick Fuentes himself pleaded with his followers not to commit any more violence immediately after Kirk was assassinated: "I pray to God that nobody else is hurt as a result of this. I hope that it stops here. It should stop here. To all of my followers: if you take up arms, I disavow you." https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/why-nick-fuentes-extreme-far-right-commentator-and-charlie-kirk-critic-issued-a-big-warning-to-his-followers-after-his-assassination-heres-what-he-said/articleshow/123867309.cms https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/why-nick-f... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7v1rle0598o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7v1rle0598o
      - aydyn 1y ago
        Evidence: your very own articles > While speaking on his show Rumble, Fuentes, told his followers, known as “groypers,” that if they turn to violence in the wake of the killing of Charlie Kirk, he will “disavow” and “disown" them. Hes saying that they shouldn't "turn to violence in the wake of the killing". Where does that imply that it was one of his followers? Its clearly saying "dont take revenge". The BBC article: > At the same time, a number of left-wing social media users have continued to claim that Robinson is a Trump supporter or member of a fringe, far-right group known as "groypers" They explicitly provide no evidence that the shooter was far right, only mentioning that left-wing social media claims that he is far right -- the very source of the disinformation! You are falling for straight disinformation, and its not particularly subtle. Its tribalism. PS: lets be clear, it was disinformation not misinformation - the intent was to lie and deceive.

by jjcob 1y ago

aydyn 1y ago

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jjcob 1y ago
For someone complaining about tribalism, it seems odd that you focus so much on which of two political sides we should put a shooter.
- aydyn 1y ago
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  - therealpygon 1y ago
    Sure, if you want to ignore the half of the equation of tribalism that you’re exhibiting. Labeling things as NOT one side is ALSO tribalism… like repeatedly trying to point out someone is a “leftist” because they share some ideologies with the left. You are just as much the problem you are attempting to point the finger with.
    - aydyn 1y ago
      Not at all. The context of the thread was the twitter page where tons of people/bots were inaccurately labeling the guy as MAGA. Correcting that is not tribalism because it is truthful. That you see it as tribalism is projection.
      - therealpygon 1y ago
        Yes, that is usually what people suffering from delusions say; that they “are speaking the truth”.
  - dahart 1y ago
    Tribalism is having a side that you calls yours.
- 379222816227273 1y ago
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netsharc 1y ago
You are literally doing what you're describing, man! Do you not see that you are also engulfed in tribalism?! You grasp on to any little shred of factoid (who cares if true or not) to put anyone you don't like as "the other tribe".. "Oh he donated $1 to Biden! Fucking leftist!". "Oh a report says his mom said he's a leftist?! I fucking knew it!". It's sad. It's even sadder if you can't see it in yourself.
- aydyn 1y ago
  As I said before, being truthful is a defense against the accusation of tribalism. Because frankly, you dont know me and you dont know my intentions. Thats not the case when you blatantly lie like those in that twitter thread. His mom saying he was a leftie is not "a little factoid". Its also far from the only piece of evidence. Please get real.
Bluestrike2 1y ago
These questions are almost always more complex and nuanced than simply left or right. I agree with you on the second part to a degree—insomuch as the modern media landscape pushes people to quickly label shooters and tends to disincentivize any sort of nuance—but might you be doing the same here? The charging document[0] said that his mother claimed "that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented." There's also a text message he sent, which said "since trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga." That's it. Acquaintances said "he wasn't too fond of Trump or Charlie [Kirk]," but we still haven't seen much that explains the specifics of why beyond the gay and trans rights angle. A former high school classmate said "[w]hen I knew him and his family, they were like diehard Trump" and that he was politically conservative and supported Trump "ahead of the 2020 election."[1] As for what changed and why, we don't know. Did he stop supporting Trump because of gay and trans rights? Did he still believe in other conservative ideas? Simply labeling him as a leftist implies a cohesive ideology, but ideology is rarely so simple or straightforward even for normal people who don't decide to commit political assassinations. Beyond that, a lot of even ideologically-motivated shooters have some awfully peculiar and non-cohesive ideologies. If the suspect agrees with 80% of a particular tribe's most common views, but that last 20% consists of some truly batshit ideas that have very little if any support, are they still a member of that tribe? Would that tribe even want them? Would they themselves want to be part of that tribe? Plenty of conservatives who believed fully in the movement's ideas broke with Trump in 2016 solely on the basis of his personal character. They can also grab onto ideas from other tribes, to the point where investigators wind up crawling through something that's less a cohesive political ideology and more a smorgasbord of ideas they pinned together. I mean, hell, you've got to have a screw or two loose to think a political assassination is going to somehow lessen--let alone stop--anti-gay and/or anti-trans sentiment. Run that idea past pretty much any left-leaning politician, activist, or political junkie, and they'll tell you you're a moron, likely right before giving the FBI a call. 0. https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2025/09/tyler-robinson-charging-document-assassination-charlie-kirk.pdf https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2025/... 1. https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/12/us/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-invs https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/12/us/tyler-robinson-charlie-kir...
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rustystump 1y ago

As much as i hate it this does prove the other commenters point. They guy was at the very least indisputably not right wing. Leftist? Maybe not too political of a take for me but he was no maganut at the time of the act.

backscratches 1y ago
You mean other than the extreme right wing nick Fuentes mems he wrote on the bullets? Smdh
- aydyn 1y ago
  /s or... You know that was deliberate misinformation and disproven right?
  - backscratches 1y ago
    You're going to have to post some evidence bud. I can't find anyone denying the engravings existed. Nick Fuentes himself pleaded with his followers not to commit any more violence immediately after Kirk was assassinated: "I pray to God that nobody else is hurt as a result of this. I hope that it stops here. It should stop here. To all of my followers: if you take up arms, I disavow you." https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/why-nick-fuentes-extreme-far-right-commentator-and-charlie-kirk-critic-issued-a-big-warning-to-his-followers-after-his-assassination-heres-what-he-said/articleshow/123867309.cms https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/why-nick-f... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7v1rle0598o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7v1rle0598o
    - aydyn 1y ago
      Evidence: your very own articles > While speaking on his show Rumble, Fuentes, told his followers, known as “groypers,” that if they turn to violence in the wake of the killing of Charlie Kirk, he will “disavow” and “disown" them. Hes saying that they shouldn't "turn to violence in the wake of the killing". Where does that imply that it was one of his followers? Its clearly saying "dont take revenge". The BBC article: > At the same time, a number of left-wing social media users have continued to claim that Robinson is a Trump supporter or member of a fringe, far-right group known as "groypers" They explicitly provide no evidence that the shooter was far right, only mentioning that left-wing social media claims that he is far right -- the very source of the disinformation! You are falling for straight disinformation, and its not particularly subtle. Its tribalism. PS: lets be clear, it was disinformation not misinformation - the intent was to lie and deceive.