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Smarter, they just dont cover the propaganda from inside, they dig the truth from those inside. The media has been too lazy for too long printing press release

Smarter, they just dont cover the propaganda from inside, they dig the truth from those inside. The media has been too lazy for too long printing press release from the government. This government has nothing to say but propaganda - I don’t even bother reading the government quotes any more. They are content free and self aggrandizing at a level of absurdity that would put North Korea to shame. There have been governments hostile to journalists in the past, and those are the governments with the most to lose when journalists dig into their work. I look forward to the investigative journalism of the next three years.

generic92034 1y ago
> I look forward to the investigative journalism of the next three years. So, who is owning the media publishing the investigative journalism? Will they risk shaking the grass, considering the powers that be?
- djkoolaide 1y ago
  404 Media is a great place to start.
  - yupyupyups 1y ago
    paywalled
    - robin_reala 1y ago
      What’s wrong with that?
      - tyleo 1y ago
        If anything it may be an improvement over ad driven models.
      - fn-mote 1y ago
        The qualify of reporting …
    - CubsFan1060 1y ago
      Do you expect people to do investigative journalism for free?
    - yupyupyups 1y ago
      Correction: Only some articles are. I thought everything was. If that was the case then you wouldn't really know what you're subscribing to. That was my initial objection, but the site seems to follow the lwn.net model. Mb.
  - aeon_ai 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - wredcoll 1y ago
      Any evidence of that?
    - snowwrestler 1y ago
      I think their bias shows primarily in which stories and topics they choose to cover. But it seems like they do a good job finding and reporting facts in the stories they do choose to cover. It’s a good example of why people should seek out a broad mix of media sources. Pretty much every outlet is going to have a bias embodied in what they choose to cover.
      - aeon_ai 1y ago
        I hesitate, because I don't disagree - They do find and report some very interesting information. They're not just "repeating" stuff others have found. However, their interpretation of facts is the bias I'm referring to, and in almost all cases I've seen, their reporting has a very visible prejudice.
        phatskat 1y ago
        > and in almost all cases I've seen, their reporting has a very visible prejudice. I would genuinely like to see some examples if you have any - I’m not necessarily taking a side either way, more curious.
Hnrobert42 1y ago
If they are unable to investigate by developing sources on the inside, how are they gonna do anything other than publish press releases?
- fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
  Why would they be unable to develop sources on the inside? I don't think the pentagon press briefing area is where they would develop their sources regardless of being allowed in or not.
- fnordpiglet 1y ago
  The inside of the pentagon is probably the worst place to ascertain honest and damaging information about the government. The most famous of such sources, deep throat, refused to talk about information in the office or on the phone. Instead he would meet in an underground car garage. This seems imminently sensible if you are disclosing damaging information about powerful and dangerous people doing illegal or immoral things. You’re not going to chat about it in the hallways at the pentagon. In fact by creating an atmosphere of fear and paranoia through political persecution of the federal workforce they’re going to invite this sort of behavior. People are going to feel afraid and hide their beliefs but will need an outlet. The only reason to persecute people for their political beliefs and lock down transparency is to hide things that people unaligned to your ideology might disclose. They will still be there no matter what you do, they will just go underground in their behavior and take elaborate routes to tell what’s going on - and there will a lot to tell because it’s being hidden for a reason. The more they dismantle oversight the more violation of ethics and legal requirements will happen - there’s no reason to dismantle the oversight functions unless you have things to hide. The more outrageous it comes, the more flagrant, the more those with discontent and grievance will seek out the press. (Surely there are some people in the government unhappy with how they or their (former) coworkers have been treated by this administration). This is going to be the most spectacular case over over reach and hubris in our history and the blowout will be extraordinary as it unfolds and collapses around them, and I hope this will revitalize the independent press and investigative journalism - which frankly is not doing poorly already despite perception. There’s a lot of excellent outlets out there. And now increasingly major outlets are becoming independent of government influence once again.
93po 1y ago
government and media are controlled by same class of people: billionaires.

generic92034 1y ago

> I look forward to the investigative journalism of the next three years. So, who is owning the media publishing the investigative journalism? Will they risk shaking the grass, considering the powers that be?

djkoolaide 1y ago
404 Media is a great place to start.
- yupyupyups 1y ago
  paywalled
  - robin_reala 1y ago
    What’s wrong with that?
    - tyleo 1y ago
      If anything it may be an improvement over ad driven models.
    - fn-mote 1y ago
      The qualify of reporting …
  - CubsFan1060 1y ago
    Do you expect people to do investigative journalism for free?
  - yupyupyups 1y ago
    Correction: Only some articles are. I thought everything was. If that was the case then you wouldn't really know what you're subscribing to. That was my initial objection, but the site seems to follow the lwn.net model. Mb.
- aeon_ai 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - wredcoll 1y ago
    Any evidence of that?
  - snowwrestler 1y ago
    I think their bias shows primarily in which stories and topics they choose to cover. But it seems like they do a good job finding and reporting facts in the stories they do choose to cover. It’s a good example of why people should seek out a broad mix of media sources. Pretty much every outlet is going to have a bias embodied in what they choose to cover.
    - aeon_ai 1y ago
      I hesitate, because I don't disagree - They do find and report some very interesting information. They're not just "repeating" stuff others have found. However, their interpretation of facts is the bias I'm referring to, and in almost all cases I've seen, their reporting has a very visible prejudice.
      - phatskat 1y ago
        > and in almost all cases I've seen, their reporting has a very visible prejudice. I would genuinely like to see some examples if you have any - I’m not necessarily taking a side either way, more curious.

Hnrobert42 1y ago

If they are unable to investigate by developing sources on the inside, how are they gonna do anything other than publish press releases?

fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
Why would they be unable to develop sources on the inside? I don't think the pentagon press briefing area is where they would develop their sources regardless of being allowed in or not.
fnordpiglet 1y ago
The inside of the pentagon is probably the worst place to ascertain honest and damaging information about the government. The most famous of such sources, deep throat, refused to talk about information in the office or on the phone. Instead he would meet in an underground car garage. This seems imminently sensible if you are disclosing damaging information about powerful and dangerous people doing illegal or immoral things. You’re not going to chat about it in the hallways at the pentagon. In fact by creating an atmosphere of fear and paranoia through political persecution of the federal workforce they’re going to invite this sort of behavior. People are going to feel afraid and hide their beliefs but will need an outlet. The only reason to persecute people for their political beliefs and lock down transparency is to hide things that people unaligned to your ideology might disclose. They will still be there no matter what you do, they will just go underground in their behavior and take elaborate routes to tell what’s going on - and there will a lot to tell because it’s being hidden for a reason. The more they dismantle oversight the more violation of ethics and legal requirements will happen - there’s no reason to dismantle the oversight functions unless you have things to hide. The more outrageous it comes, the more flagrant, the more those with discontent and grievance will seek out the press. (Surely there are some people in the government unhappy with how they or their (former) coworkers have been treated by this administration). This is going to be the most spectacular case over over reach and hubris in our history and the blowout will be extraordinary as it unfolds and collapses around them, and I hope this will revitalize the independent press and investigative journalism - which frankly is not doing poorly already despite perception. There’s a lot of excellent outlets out there. And now increasingly major outlets are becoming independent of government influence once again.

93po 1y ago

government and media are controlled by same class of people: billionaires.