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This is important for everyone here to watch. A divided house does not stand, and if you haven't noticed, it's getting more divided every day. Don't be a sucker

by mempko 1y ago

This is important for everyone here to watch. A divided house does not stand, and if you haven't noticed, it's getting more divided every day. Don't be a sucker, don't let them divide us. For perspective, we now have masked agents roaming the streets kidnapping people in broad daylight. In the United States. Think about how fast this came. EDIT: Why not have a conversation instead of downvoting. What did I say is wrong?

VoodooJuJu 1y ago
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jorblumesea 1y ago
the people who need to watch this aren't likely on HN or critically thinking about any of this.
- mempko 1y ago
  The people who need to watch this are precisely the ones on HN, because we have outsized money and power. Keep in mind it was the tech elite that helped elect Trump. Some of them are here and will see this. Lets see how long until this post is flagged...
  - ryandrake 1y ago
    The "tech elite" making actual decisions are not reading and commenting on HN. A startup CTO or a Amazon Director is not part of the "elite."
    - alganet 1y ago
      It is fair to assume that some suckers are reading though.
      - mlrtime 1y ago
        Is anyone who voted for Trump a sucker?
        rootusrootus 1y ago
        If by sucker you mean in the context of the film's title, then that fits. If we use a more general definition of sucker, then I guess it depends on if the Trump voter wanted exactly what he is delivering. If they are getting precisely what they wanted, then they aren't really a sucker, they are something else.
        mlrtime 1y ago
        So you are only not a sucker if you agree 100% on everything he does? And this is the first time in this nations history where that is true? Meaning its ok to partially agree with previous presidents and NOT be a sucker?
        deleted 1y ago
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        alganet 1y ago
        I think the world is full of suckers right now, both right wing and left wing. Also, full of suckers for CEOs and celebrities. Suckers for AI utopia and so on. Trump somehow contributed to that radicalization (he is not the sole responsible for it though). I think many who support him don't see it that way, and instead interpret his actions as some sort of cheat codes for progress that cut through a lot of bullshit. I am skeptic of his agenda. I am, however, also cautious about many of the leftist ideas, specially in the last decade. If made to chose though, I would definitely go left. I think I'm an orphan of a deceased left that doesn't exist anymore. A left that cares more about things like education and healthcare than about how they look on social media. I don't see much value in discussing leaders (this comment is a rare exception) or amplifying partisan narratives.
        1y ago
  - blibble 1y ago
    > Lets see how long until this post is flagged... I wouldn't be surprised if the video disappears too
    - rootusrootus 1y ago
      Yeah I saw that it’s posted by the National archives and kinda wondered myself how long it would last if it went viral.
gertlex 1y ago
I didn't watch this yet but am going to be curious to hear how to not be divided about "we now have masked agents roaming the streets kidnapping people in broad daylight. In the United States.", when some clearly think there are reasons this isn't a problem (or not worth paying attention to).
- mempko 1y ago
  By talking to those apathetic and talking to those that think this isn't a problem. There is a war for your mind.
  - zahlman 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - blks 1y ago
      ICE actively targets and arrests people who are legally staying in the US as well, detaining them for weeks without due process.
      - zahlman 1y ago
        What exactly is your evidence for this claim? What do you consider to be their basis for such targeting, and what is your evidence for that claim?
        pchristensen 1y ago
        Off the top of my head, Kilmar Abrego Garcia had a judicial stay against exportation and the administration said his deportation was an error, but he spent weeks in an El Salvadoran prison. And there was the Korean battery factory workers in Georgia. There were also more cases in the district court record that led to the Kavanaugh Stops decision: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/10/scotus-analysis-kavanaugh-stops-supreme-court-lawsuit.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/10/scotus-analysis-... There have been so many cases documented so thoroughly. All you have to do is believe that it's not impossible and the reporting does the rest.
laidoffamazon 1y ago
A shocking number of people are simply unaware (or worse, don’t care) that the current regime pardoned a thousand insurrectionists either while being nakedly corrupt to the point of taking cash in CAVA bags. The attention simply isn’t there.
jackpirate 1y ago
Why not have a conversation instead of downvoting. What did I say is wrong? Your second paragraph is implying that the half of Americans who voted for Trump are "bad Americans". That seems to be sowing the division that your first paragraph warns against (even if it is a reason to dislike Trump). I don't think either democrats or republicans can claim the moral high ground about sowing division.
- stevenbedrick 1y ago
  It seems to me as though you're reading a lot in to that second paragraph. Are you disputing the basic facts outlined, about "masked agents roaming the streets kidnapping people in broad daylight"? Because that is, in fact, a thing that is happening in cities all over the country right now, and simply pointing out that it is happening is not a partisan act.
  - zahlman 1y ago
    The partisan act is the description of what is going on. Can you show that the arrests are unlawful? Or else what exactly is your basis for the use of the term "kidnapping"?
    - sgustard 1y ago
      How about "Federal judge rules ICE arrests at Liberty restaurant unlawful"? Does this meet your standard? https://fox4kc.com/news/federal-judge-rules-ice-arrests-at-liberty-restaurant-unlawful/ https://fox4kc.com/news/federal-judge-rules-ice-arrests-at-l...
      - mlrtime 1y ago
        This is good, in means we have checks and balances. I don't have the details of this particular case, but does it mean every action ICE takes is illegal? If someone breaks the law ICE or otherwise, there should be enforcement and justice. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-104publ208/pdf/PLAW-104publ208.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-104publ208/pdf/PLAW...
davesque 1y ago
You said nothing wrong. Some people just feel embarrassed about being responsible for the current situation by voting for Trump. And they react to that embarrassment by trying to shift blame.
luxuryballs 1y ago
it’s at least good for everyone to notice that a government can start enforcing the law at any time
lmm 1y ago
"We need to stop being divided. For perspective, here's a political talking point framed in the most partisan way possible. Edit: why am I being downvoted?"
yes_really 1y ago
This type of comment is what is increasing division and extremism in the US. The people defined immigration laws through democracy. Following democracy means following the immigration laws that were defined through democracy, not following what you'd like the law to be. The opposition of "Rule of Law" is "Rule of Men". If we don't follow the immigration laws defined democratically, it means, by definition, that we would be following some other rules defined arbitrarily by rulers outside of the democratic process. That is very dangerous, because following the democratically defined laws is the Schelling point that typically maintains cohesion of a polity. What incentives do your political opponents have for maintaining cohesion if you simply defect on your theoretical obligations to follow the law that was voted on? Can you really say that doing that would not create more and more division?
- mindslight 1y ago
  The gall to bemoan the "rule of men" when we've got masked paramilitary gangs ransacking apartment buildings in the middle of the night. The problem isn't that immigration law is being enforced. The problem is the manner in which it is being enforced. Someone breaking the law is not a justification for whatever you want to be done to them. Someone breaking the law is not an excuse to violate other people's constitutional/natural rights by association. And the law not being enforced for a long time is not an excuse to eliminate what little accountability there was for people tasked with enforcing the laws. I hope some day you will realize these things.
- gtirloni 1y ago
  Due process is being followed?
- mempko 1y ago
  You do realize crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor right? Do you see how masked agents violently taking people without due process does not align with the severity of the offense?
- wredcoll 1y ago
  > The opposition of "Rule of Law" is "Rule of Men". If we don't follow the immigration laws defined democratically We are advocating for the rule of law to be applied to everyone, not just people who "look foreign".

by mempko 1y ago

VoodooJuJu 1y ago

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jorblumesea 1y ago

the people who need to watch this aren't likely on HN or critically thinking about any of this.

mempko 1y ago
The people who need to watch this are precisely the ones on HN, because we have outsized money and power. Keep in mind it was the tech elite that helped elect Trump. Some of them are here and will see this. Lets see how long until this post is flagged...
- ryandrake 1y ago
  The "tech elite" making actual decisions are not reading and commenting on HN. A startup CTO or a Amazon Director is not part of the "elite."
  - alganet 1y ago
    It is fair to assume that some suckers are reading though.
    - mlrtime 1y ago
      Is anyone who voted for Trump a sucker?
      - rootusrootus 1y ago
        If by sucker you mean in the context of the film's title, then that fits. If we use a more general definition of sucker, then I guess it depends on if the Trump voter wanted exactly what he is delivering. If they are getting precisely what they wanted, then they aren't really a sucker, they are something else.
        mlrtime 1y ago
        So you are only not a sucker if you agree 100% on everything he does? And this is the first time in this nations history where that is true? Meaning its ok to partially agree with previous presidents and NOT be a sucker?
        deleted 1y ago
        [deleted]
      - alganet 1y ago
        I think the world is full of suckers right now, both right wing and left wing. Also, full of suckers for CEOs and celebrities. Suckers for AI utopia and so on. Trump somehow contributed to that radicalization (he is not the sole responsible for it though). I think many who support him don't see it that way, and instead interpret his actions as some sort of cheat codes for progress that cut through a lot of bullshit. I am skeptic of his agenda. I am, however, also cautious about many of the leftist ideas, specially in the last decade. If made to chose though, I would definitely go left. I think I'm an orphan of a deceased left that doesn't exist anymore. A left that cares more about things like education and healthcare than about how they look on social media. I don't see much value in discussing leaders (this comment is a rare exception) or amplifying partisan narratives.
        1y ago
- blibble 1y ago
  > Lets see how long until this post is flagged... I wouldn't be surprised if the video disappears too
  - rootusrootus 1y ago
    Yeah I saw that it’s posted by the National archives and kinda wondered myself how long it would last if it went viral.

gertlex 1y ago

I didn't watch this yet but am going to be curious to hear how to not be divided about "we now have masked agents roaming the streets kidnapping people in broad daylight. In the United States.", when some clearly think there are reasons this isn't a problem (or not worth paying attention to).

mempko 1y ago
By talking to those apathetic and talking to those that think this isn't a problem. There is a war for your mind.
- zahlman 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - blks 1y ago
    ICE actively targets and arrests people who are legally staying in the US as well, detaining them for weeks without due process.
    - zahlman 1y ago
      What exactly is your evidence for this claim? What do you consider to be their basis for such targeting, and what is your evidence for that claim?
      - pchristensen 1y ago
        Off the top of my head, Kilmar Abrego Garcia had a judicial stay against exportation and the administration said his deportation was an error, but he spent weeks in an El Salvadoran prison. And there was the Korean battery factory workers in Georgia. There were also more cases in the district court record that led to the Kavanaugh Stops decision: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/10/scotus-analysis-kavanaugh-stops-supreme-court-lawsuit.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/10/scotus-analysis-... There have been so many cases documented so thoroughly. All you have to do is believe that it's not impossible and the reporting does the rest.

laidoffamazon 1y ago

A shocking number of people are simply unaware (or worse, don’t care) that the current regime pardoned a thousand insurrectionists either while being nakedly corrupt to the point of taking cash in CAVA bags. The attention simply isn’t there.

jackpirate 1y ago

Why not have a conversation instead of downvoting. What did I say is wrong? Your second paragraph is implying that the half of Americans who voted for Trump are "bad Americans". That seems to be sowing the division that your first paragraph warns against (even if it is a reason to dislike Trump). I don't think either democrats or republicans can claim the moral high ground about sowing division.

stevenbedrick 1y ago
It seems to me as though you're reading a lot in to that second paragraph. Are you disputing the basic facts outlined, about "masked agents roaming the streets kidnapping people in broad daylight"? Because that is, in fact, a thing that is happening in cities all over the country right now, and simply pointing out that it is happening is not a partisan act.
- zahlman 1y ago
  The partisan act is the description of what is going on. Can you show that the arrests are unlawful? Or else what exactly is your basis for the use of the term "kidnapping"?
  - sgustard 1y ago
    How about "Federal judge rules ICE arrests at Liberty restaurant unlawful"? Does this meet your standard? https://fox4kc.com/news/federal-judge-rules-ice-arrests-at-liberty-restaurant-unlawful/ https://fox4kc.com/news/federal-judge-rules-ice-arrests-at-l...
    - mlrtime 1y ago
      This is good, in means we have checks and balances. I don't have the details of this particular case, but does it mean every action ICE takes is illegal? If someone breaks the law ICE or otherwise, there should be enforcement and justice. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-104publ208/pdf/PLAW-104publ208.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-104publ208/pdf/PLAW...

davesque 1y ago

You said nothing wrong. Some people just feel embarrassed about being responsible for the current situation by voting for Trump. And they react to that embarrassment by trying to shift blame.

luxuryballs 1y ago

it’s at least good for everyone to notice that a government can start enforcing the law at any time

lmm 1y ago

"We need to stop being divided. For perspective, here's a political talking point framed in the most partisan way possible. Edit: why am I being downvoted?"

yes_really 1y ago

This type of comment is what is increasing division and extremism in the US. The people defined immigration laws through democracy. Following democracy means following the immigration laws that were defined through democracy, not following what you'd like the law to be. The opposition of "Rule of Law" is "Rule of Men". If we don't follow the immigration laws defined democratically, it means, by definition, that we would be following some other rules defined arbitrarily by rulers outside of the democratic process. That is very dangerous, because following the democratically defined laws is the Schelling point that typically maintains cohesion of a polity. What incentives do your political opponents have for maintaining cohesion if you simply defect on your theoretical obligations to follow the law that was voted on? Can you really say that doing that would not create more and more division?

mindslight 1y ago
The gall to bemoan the "rule of men" when we've got masked paramilitary gangs ransacking apartment buildings in the middle of the night. The problem isn't that immigration law is being enforced. The problem is the manner in which it is being enforced. Someone breaking the law is not a justification for whatever you want to be done to them. Someone breaking the law is not an excuse to violate other people's constitutional/natural rights by association. And the law not being enforced for a long time is not an excuse to eliminate what little accountability there was for people tasked with enforcing the laws. I hope some day you will realize these things.
gtirloni 1y ago
Due process is being followed?
mempko 1y ago
You do realize crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor right? Do you see how masked agents violently taking people without due process does not align with the severity of the offense?
wredcoll 1y ago
> The opposition of "Rule of Law" is "Rule of Men". If we don't follow the immigration laws defined democratically We are advocating for the rule of law to be applied to everyone, not just people who "look foreign".