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>> When 4chan successfully defends itself How do you expect this to happen? The law is pretty clear and afaik 4chan has been pretty explicit that they know the

>> When 4chan successfully defends itself How do you expect this to happen? The law is pretty clear and afaik 4chan has been pretty explicit that they know the law and they're ignoring it. 4chan's 'out' is that they don't have any legal presence in the UK. More legitimate enterprises do so the results of this will have no bearing on them.

alphazard 1y ago
I'm talking specifically about US companies, which make up the lion's share of popular websites. They are served from the US as a primary location, and the company is incorporated there as well. Modulo CDN hosted assets, there is no presence in the UK. If the company is in the UK, then yes, they are obviously screwed. The damage to the UK's web presence has already been done. I don't expect anyone would want to incorporate an internet dependent company there.
mytailorisrich 1y ago
If this is deemed illegal in an US court then the OSA will be unenforcebale against US entities in the US (though not sure what's needed to set precedent). This is important because otherwise UK fines may be enforceable in US courts.
- bigbadfeline 1y ago
  > This is important because otherwise UK fines may be enforceable in US courts. UK law is generally unenforcible in the US except extradition agreements for crimes commuted while residing in the UK. That's not the case here and there's no agreement that applies to this case.
  - mytailorisrich 1y ago
    It is possible to enforce UK judgements and fines in the US, though my understanding is that it is not simple or guaranteed. I suppose the action 4chan is taking in US court is exactly to avoid this possibility.
    - NotPractical 1y ago
      > It is possible to enforce UK judgements and fines in the US, though my understanding is that it is not simple or guaranteed. I am curious as to how that could possibly work. Is there some trade agreement that requires the US to respect UK court rulings? Generally the US has sought to distance itself from any kind of foreign influence or control.

alphazard 1y ago

I'm talking specifically about US companies, which make up the lion's share of popular websites. They are served from the US as a primary location, and the company is incorporated there as well. Modulo CDN hosted assets, there is no presence in the UK. If the company is in the UK, then yes, they are obviously screwed. The damage to the UK's web presence has already been done. I don't expect anyone would want to incorporate an internet dependent company there.

mytailorisrich 1y ago

If this is deemed illegal in an US court then the OSA will be unenforcebale against US entities in the US (though not sure what's needed to set precedent). This is important because otherwise UK fines may be enforceable in US courts.

bigbadfeline 1y ago
> This is important because otherwise UK fines may be enforceable in US courts. UK law is generally unenforcible in the US except extradition agreements for crimes commuted while residing in the UK. That's not the case here and there's no agreement that applies to this case.
- mytailorisrich 1y ago
  It is possible to enforce UK judgements and fines in the US, though my understanding is that it is not simple or guaranteed. I suppose the action 4chan is taking in US court is exactly to avoid this possibility.
  - NotPractical 1y ago
    > It is possible to enforce UK judgements and fines in the US, though my understanding is that it is not simple or guaranteed. I am curious as to how that could possibly work. Is there some trade agreement that requires the US to respect UK court rulings? Generally the US has sought to distance itself from any kind of foreign influence or control.