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Your empty accusations of Stallman aren't helpful to the discussion. What exactly do you find unclear or laughable? Perhaps you didn't understand that. I did.

Your empty accusations of Stallman aren't helpful to the discussion. What exactly do you find unclear or laughable? Perhaps you didn't understand that. I did. > Are you really going to say that you would hand an open source product to most users and hand them a product by Apple or Microsoft and they would say the open source alternative is “better” for them? This is exactly what happened when I replaced Windows with Debian for my non-technical relatives.

raw_anon_1111 1y ago
He uses software and hardware that doesn’t have the qualities that most people want. Now give your relatives FDroid over their iPhones and Android devices and see which one they would prefer. Give them an M series MacBook Air that runs quiet and cool with a battery life of 15+ hours. Wait until they want to run Photoshop, Office or any of the other popular commercial software and you show them Gimp or LibreOffice. Or their children want to play the latest PC game with their friends.
- fsflover 1y ago
  > He uses software and hardware that doesn’t have the qualities that most people want. This is true, and by design: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45025116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45025116 > Now give your relatives FDroid over their iPhones and Android devices and see which one they would prefer. Give them an M series MacBook Air that runs quiet and cool with a battery life of 15+ hours. Supporting freedom requires some compromises. Any improvement in quality of life for the people can only come with huge efforts. Some people aren't able to spend these efforts due to the personal problems. It doesn't mean they don't care.
  - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
    And you still haven’t said how it would improve their lives?
    - fsflover 1y ago
      In the same way any kind of freedom improves people's lives: Indirectly, in subtle ways yet dramatically. Examples: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45569667 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45569667 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45557185 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45557185
      - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        Yes so we should optimize for the insignificant number of people who want to use FDroid outside of your bubble?
        fsflover 1y ago
        What do you mean by "optimize"? It's already optimized just fine.
        raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        Companies should cater to customers who want something like FDroid?
        fsflover 1y ago
        Companies should respect users' freedom and not take control over their computing without giving a choice. See https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html
        Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
        Do you have a personal grudge against F-droid? If you hate the UI, the UI isn't an end all be all. there is droidify which has a different UI/UX to the f-droid repository https://f-droid.org/packages/com.looker.droidify/ https://f-droid.org/packages/com.looker.droidify/ Download this but f-droid is not just the UI but rather it creates reproducible verified/audited android builds which can be installed easier and through multiple alternative frontends including drodify/f-droid official websites etc. >Companies should cater to customers who want something like FDroid? Yes. Why not? Can you give me reasons why not because I can give the reasons as to why.

raw_anon_1111 1y ago

He uses software and hardware that doesn’t have the qualities that most people want. Now give your relatives FDroid over their iPhones and Android devices and see which one they would prefer. Give them an M series MacBook Air that runs quiet and cool with a battery life of 15+ hours. Wait until they want to run Photoshop, Office or any of the other popular commercial software and you show them Gimp or LibreOffice. Or their children want to play the latest PC game with their friends.

fsflover 1y ago
> He uses software and hardware that doesn’t have the qualities that most people want. This is true, and by design: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45025116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45025116 > Now give your relatives FDroid over their iPhones and Android devices and see which one they would prefer. Give them an M series MacBook Air that runs quiet and cool with a battery life of 15+ hours. Supporting freedom requires some compromises. Any improvement in quality of life for the people can only come with huge efforts. Some people aren't able to spend these efforts due to the personal problems. It doesn't mean they don't care.
- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  And you still haven’t said how it would improve their lives?
  - fsflover 1y ago
    In the same way any kind of freedom improves people's lives: Indirectly, in subtle ways yet dramatically. Examples: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45569667 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45569667 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45557185 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45557185
    - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
      Yes so we should optimize for the insignificant number of people who want to use FDroid outside of your bubble?
      - fsflover 1y ago
        What do you mean by "optimize"? It's already optimized just fine.
        raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        Companies should cater to customers who want something like FDroid?
        fsflover 1y ago
        Companies should respect users' freedom and not take control over their computing without giving a choice. See https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html
        Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
        Do you have a personal grudge against F-droid? If you hate the UI, the UI isn't an end all be all. there is droidify which has a different UI/UX to the f-droid repository https://f-droid.org/packages/com.looker.droidify/ https://f-droid.org/packages/com.looker.droidify/ Download this but f-droid is not just the UI but rather it creates reproducible verified/audited android builds which can be installed easier and through multiple alternative frontends including drodify/f-droid official websites etc. >Companies should cater to customers who want something like FDroid? Yes. Why not? Can you give me reasons why not because I can give the reasons as to why.