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> So because of open source code there isn’t a duopoly Neither iOS, nor Andoid are open-source. GNU/Linux phones provide the opportunity I'm talking about. Mo

> So because of open source code there isn’t a duopoly Neither iOS, nor Andoid are open-source. GNU/Linux phones provide the opportunity I'm talking about. Most AI models aren't open-source but open-weight. > Every large tech company supports open source to a certain degree to “commoditize their complements” or to get a foot in where they aren’t competitive. And they keep as much closed as possible to achieve that. Imagine their software would be licensed as AGPL.

raw_anon_1111 1y ago
And no one to a first approximation cares as consumers and companies aren’t worried about strategies about how to compete with open source - they have all co opted them to increase their profits. The whole argument is why should people care about open source and what can one do to make them want open source alternatives that are worse in every way that they care about? Make better products that have the features and ease of use that people come to expect in 2025. No other profession expects people to desire to work for free and most open source software has most of its major contributors as corporate backed. The AGPL is the least “free” license compared to something like the BSD license they gives people the ability to do anything they want with the code. I see people on HN constantly trying to excuse the shittiness of products like phones running FDroid and Framework laptops compared to the better alternatives
- fsflover 1y ago
  > Make better products that have the features and ease of use that people come to expect in 2025. https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/docs/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently%20Asked%20Questions#11-why-buy-the-librem-5 https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/docs/community-wiki/-/wikis/F... > The AGPL is the least “free” license compared to something like the BSD license they gives people the ability to do anything they want with the code. AGPL is the license forcing the code to be open forever. It's the most free license, unlike BSD, which allows closing it and turning into proprietary software.
  - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
    Free as in “user freedom” to do whatever the user wants. What type of Orwellian doublespeak is calling the AGPL that forces an ideology on the user “freedom”?
    - fsflover 1y ago
      BSD provides more freedom to developers. (A)GPL provides a guarantee to users that the code will stay free forever.
      - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        Users don’t care about the code - developers do. The original code is free for developers and users. Which AGPL code do 99% of users care about?
        fsflover 1y ago
        > Users don’t care about the code - developers do. This is false, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45571842 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45571842 > The original code is free for developers and users. But the modified code may not be.

raw_anon_1111 1y ago

And no one to a first approximation cares as consumers and companies aren’t worried about strategies about how to compete with open source - they have all co opted them to increase their profits. The whole argument is why should people care about open source and what can one do to make them want open source alternatives that are worse in every way that they care about? Make better products that have the features and ease of use that people come to expect in 2025. No other profession expects people to desire to work for free and most open source software has most of its major contributors as corporate backed. The AGPL is the least “free” license compared to something like the BSD license they gives people the ability to do anything they want with the code. I see people on HN constantly trying to excuse the shittiness of products like phones running FDroid and Framework laptops compared to the better alternatives

fsflover 1y ago
> Make better products that have the features and ease of use that people come to expect in 2025. https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/docs/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently%20Asked%20Questions#11-why-buy-the-librem-5 https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/docs/community-wiki/-/wikis/F... > The AGPL is the least “free” license compared to something like the BSD license they gives people the ability to do anything they want with the code. AGPL is the license forcing the code to be open forever. It's the most free license, unlike BSD, which allows closing it and turning into proprietary software.
- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  Free as in “user freedom” to do whatever the user wants. What type of Orwellian doublespeak is calling the AGPL that forces an ideology on the user “freedom”?
  - fsflover 1y ago
    BSD provides more freedom to developers. (A)GPL provides a guarantee to users that the code will stay free forever.
    - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
      Users don’t care about the code - developers do. The original code is free for developers and users. Which AGPL code do 99% of users care about?
      - fsflover 1y ago
        > Users don’t care about the code - developers do. This is false, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45571842 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45571842 > The original code is free for developers and users. But the modified code may not be.