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Sure there's a balance to be struck here but clearly a lot of people think Apple has swung too far to the conservative side.

alayne 14y ago
I don't disagree. There is nothing particularly innovative in iOS 6 or the iPhone 5. I just think that if they had NFC, Google maps, less strict app store policies, and so on they would be indistinguishable from Android. Honestly, if you want to go there, I think Android is in fact getting conservative and WP8 is where the innovation is happening in mobile right now.
- cageface 14y ago
  I haven't had a chance to actually use a WP8 device yet but I like what I've seen online. I may pick up a 920 just to try it even though I really don't want to commit to another walled-garden ecosystem. I agree that Microsoft seems to be taking much bigger chances than anybody else right now. I also think Microsoft has far and away the best UI toolkit with C#/XAML.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  conservative != slowing What is WP8 innovating on? Yes, it looks different, but... that's not really the point here is it? It looks gorgeous. I happen to think WP8 > Android (ICS/JB) > iOS in appearance, but it's pretty damn apparent to me that Android > iOS > WP8 in terms of shipping functionality. (And maybe flip the first two for app availability). I don't see how "Android has a complete feature set" means it's conservative... it's not like they've been removing features from Andorid...
dusing 14y ago
Depends on how you define "a lot". I think the percentage of jail breakers is considerable lower in the general public than "a lot"
- cageface 14y ago
  Well, here in SE Asia it seems to be just about everybody but I suspect that has more to do with app piracy. Add in the people that bought Android phones for their extra flexibility and you get a lot closer to "a lot".
- saurik 14y ago
  It also happens to be considered lower in the general public than the numbers actually demonstrate: out of only hundreds of millions of total devices sold, there are tens of millions out there that are jailbroken. Even then, you may consider that a "low percentage, certainly nowhere near a majority", but that is still "a lot of people": no one is claiming most people want it different (although if it were easy? dunno).

alayne 14y ago

I don't disagree. There is nothing particularly innovative in iOS 6 or the iPhone 5. I just think that if they had NFC, Google maps, less strict app store policies, and so on they would be indistinguishable from Android. Honestly, if you want to go there, I think Android is in fact getting conservative and WP8 is where the innovation is happening in mobile right now.

cageface 14y ago
I haven't had a chance to actually use a WP8 device yet but I like what I've seen online. I may pick up a 920 just to try it even though I really don't want to commit to another walled-garden ecosystem. I agree that Microsoft seems to be taking much bigger chances than anybody else right now. I also think Microsoft has far and away the best UI toolkit with C#/XAML.
drivebyacct2 14y ago
conservative != slowing What is WP8 innovating on? Yes, it looks different, but... that's not really the point here is it? It looks gorgeous. I happen to think WP8 > Android (ICS/JB) > iOS in appearance, but it's pretty damn apparent to me that Android > iOS > WP8 in terms of shipping functionality. (And maybe flip the first two for app availability). I don't see how "Android has a complete feature set" means it's conservative... it's not like they've been removing features from Andorid...

dusing 14y ago

Depends on how you define "a lot". I think the percentage of jail breakers is considerable lower in the general public than "a lot"

cageface 14y ago
Well, here in SE Asia it seems to be just about everybody but I suspect that has more to do with app piracy. Add in the people that bought Android phones for their extra flexibility and you get a lot closer to "a lot".
saurik 14y ago
It also happens to be considered lower in the general public than the numbers actually demonstrate: out of only hundreds of millions of total devices sold, there are tens of millions out there that are jailbroken. Even then, you may consider that a "low percentage, certainly nowhere near a majority", but that is still "a lot of people": no one is claiming most people want it different (although if it were easy? dunno).