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Meanwhile over here in WV, we are saddled with above-market electricity rates thanks to our state (non-)regulatory commission and a desire to keep old coal-fire

Meanwhile over here in WV, we are saddled with above-market electricity rates thanks to our state (non-)regulatory commission and a desire to keep old coal-fired generators operating. It drives us nuts.

hungryhobbit 1y ago
When you let industry run your government ...
- epistasis 1y ago
  This is sadly the state for a good number of PUCs across the nation. That's one reason that electricity costs are rising even as generation is getting cheaper thanks to renewables and storage.
cameldrv 1y ago
Could be worse. If you lived in California you'd pay triple the "above-market electricity rates" you currently pay.
- kjkjadksj 1y ago
  Not if you have a municipal energy provider.
- jaredklewis 1y ago
  Based on numbers here (https://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-prices-by-state/ https://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-prices-by-state/) it would be double, not triple.
  - cameldrv 1y ago
    The Non-PG&E areas pull the average down I guess. PG&E is more like 45-50 cents/kwh
    - ahartmetz 1y ago
      Damn. I thought Germany had the most expensive electricity at 0.38€/kWh or so and the US had maybe $0.06-$0.15 depending on region.
    - jms703 1y ago
      I just checked my bill. Here in California, in the SF Bay Area, we're paying 82.7 cents per kWh. That's 62.6 cents for delivery and 20.1 cents for generation. Those websites that report lower rates are incredibly wrong and misleading.
      - jaredklewis 1y ago
        I don't think the numbers are "wrong," they are just aggregate. Obviously within a state as large as California there will be a lot of variation between regions. I live in California and my energy prices are between $0.29 and $0.34 depending on the time of day. GP's point still stands that WV is cheaper than CA, but how much cheaper depends on which region of CA you are comparing it to.
        jms703 1y ago
        These aggregate numbers they don’t reflect what most ratepayers actually pay. For example, PG&E’s current E-TOU-C summer rates in SF Bay area are around $0.83/kWh peak and $0.62/kWh off-peak. That’s almost double the CPUC’s statewide “average” of ~$0.34/kWh. But whatever, I'm just upset at how much we have to pay.

hungryhobbit 1y ago

When you let industry run your government ...

epistasis 1y ago
This is sadly the state for a good number of PUCs across the nation. That's one reason that electricity costs are rising even as generation is getting cheaper thanks to renewables and storage.

cameldrv 1y ago

Could be worse. If you lived in California you'd pay triple the "above-market electricity rates" you currently pay.

kjkjadksj 1y ago
Not if you have a municipal energy provider.
jaredklewis 1y ago
Based on numbers here (https://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-prices-by-state/ https://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-prices-by-state/) it would be double, not triple.
- cameldrv 1y ago
  The Non-PG&E areas pull the average down I guess. PG&E is more like 45-50 cents/kwh
  - ahartmetz 1y ago
    Damn. I thought Germany had the most expensive electricity at 0.38€/kWh or so and the US had maybe $0.06-$0.15 depending on region.
  - jms703 1y ago
    I just checked my bill. Here in California, in the SF Bay Area, we're paying 82.7 cents per kWh. That's 62.6 cents for delivery and 20.1 cents for generation. Those websites that report lower rates are incredibly wrong and misleading.
    - jaredklewis 1y ago
      I don't think the numbers are "wrong," they are just aggregate. Obviously within a state as large as California there will be a lot of variation between regions. I live in California and my energy prices are between $0.29 and $0.34 depending on the time of day. GP's point still stands that WV is cheaper than CA, but how much cheaper depends on which region of CA you are comparing it to.
      - jms703 1y ago
        These aggregate numbers they don’t reflect what most ratepayers actually pay. For example, PG&E’s current E-TOU-C summer rates in SF Bay area are around $0.83/kWh peak and $0.62/kWh off-peak. That’s almost double the CPUC’s statewide “average” of ~$0.34/kWh. But whatever, I'm just upset at how much we have to pay.