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California also has the most expensive rates in the country. Much less impressive when taking cost into account. https://www.newsweek.com/electricity-prices-su

California also has the most expensive rates in the country. Much less impressive when taking cost into account. https://www.newsweek.com/electricity-prices-surge-us-map-shows-most-expensive-states-2037618 https://www.newsweek.com/electricity-prices-surge-us-map-sho... https://www.energybot.com/electricity-rates/ https://www.energybot.com/electricity-rates/

triceratops 1y ago
That's because of the wildfires. California will have high rates no matter what just because of that.
- celeritascelery 1y ago
  Can you elaborate on why that is or provide a source? Other states also have high wildfire risk and don’t have the expensive power like California.
  - toomuchtodo 1y ago
    https://www.energysage.com/news/ca-electricity-rates-increase-96-percent-2014-to-2024/ https://www.energysage.com/news/ca-electricity-rates-increas...
    - celeritascelery 1y ago
      Interesting. That article didn’t explain the relationship between wildfires and power costs, so I did some digging. California is unique in that it uses a legal doctrine called “inverse condemnation.” This means utilities are strictly liable for wildfire damage caused by their equipment - even if they weren’t negligent. This leads to tens of billions of dollars in extra costs for the utility companies in the state. California essentially passes on the cost of the wildfires to consumers in their electricity prices. This is unique to the California and not a factor in other states.
  - nharada 1y ago
    Four of the worst five wildfires in the US (in terms of damage) took place in the last decade in California. The fire in LA this year is estimated to have cost more than the other four combined.
- next_xibalba 1y ago
  That is only one factor. Others include: overallocation of fixed costs to consumers, CA's climate and energy policies, CA's high regulatory burden, and CA's unique geographic challenges. Some of these are self imposed. [1] https://calmatters.org/california-divide/2021/03/california-high-electricity-prices https://calmatters.org/california-divide/2021/03/california-... [2] https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4950 https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4950 [3] https://www.ppic.org/blog/a-closer-look-at-californias-surging-electricity-rates https://www.ppic.org/blog/a-closer-look-at-californias-surgi... [4] https://www.ivy-energy.com/post/californias-ever-increasing-electricity-costs https://www.ivy-energy.com/post/californias-ever-increasing-...
outside1234 1y ago
That is because of transmission costs and upgrades required because of climate change, not generation costs.
kjkjadksj 1y ago
Now look at what you’d pay under a municipal provider like LADWP.

triceratops 1y ago

That's because of the wildfires. California will have high rates no matter what just because of that.

celeritascelery 1y ago
Can you elaborate on why that is or provide a source? Other states also have high wildfire risk and don’t have the expensive power like California.
- toomuchtodo 1y ago
  https://www.energysage.com/news/ca-electricity-rates-increase-96-percent-2014-to-2024/ https://www.energysage.com/news/ca-electricity-rates-increas...
  - celeritascelery 1y ago
    Interesting. That article didn’t explain the relationship between wildfires and power costs, so I did some digging. California is unique in that it uses a legal doctrine called “inverse condemnation.” This means utilities are strictly liable for wildfire damage caused by their equipment - even if they weren’t negligent. This leads to tens of billions of dollars in extra costs for the utility companies in the state. California essentially passes on the cost of the wildfires to consumers in their electricity prices. This is unique to the California and not a factor in other states.
- nharada 1y ago
  Four of the worst five wildfires in the US (in terms of damage) took place in the last decade in California. The fire in LA this year is estimated to have cost more than the other four combined.
next_xibalba 1y ago
That is only one factor. Others include: overallocation of fixed costs to consumers, CA's climate and energy policies, CA's high regulatory burden, and CA's unique geographic challenges. Some of these are self imposed. [1] https://calmatters.org/california-divide/2021/03/california-high-electricity-prices https://calmatters.org/california-divide/2021/03/california-... [2] https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4950 https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4950 [3] https://www.ppic.org/blog/a-closer-look-at-californias-surging-electricity-rates https://www.ppic.org/blog/a-closer-look-at-californias-surgi... [4] https://www.ivy-energy.com/post/californias-ever-increasing-electricity-costs https://www.ivy-energy.com/post/californias-ever-increasing-...

outside1234 1y ago

That is because of transmission costs and upgrades required because of climate change, not generation costs.

kjkjadksj 1y ago

Now look at what you’d pay under a municipal provider like LADWP.