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No, i asked for evidence that "Portland is burning to the ground" and will happily accept any evidence from any source, but you haven't provided anything resemb

No, i asked for evidence that "Portland is burning to the ground" and will happily accept any evidence from any source, but you haven't provided anything resembling one, presumably because no part of Portland is burning. I genuinely know nothing about Portland, but i know that the way Chicago is described is entirely unmoored from reality, and that none of the protestors in Chicago have been violent, so you can back up your claim or continue to look like you're making things up

tptacek 1y ago
I live a 20 minute bike ride from the Broadview ICE facility (the focus of the protests here) and there has been no indication whatsoever of violence originating in the protests (the average age of a Broadview protester appears to be 45, the average hair color "balding"). It is annoying the residents of Broadview though, since ICE/DHS is erecting barricades and disrupting traffic flows.
kcplate 1y ago
I never made that claim. All I said was that there have been protests at the ICE facility in Portland, that there has been violence, and there has been arrests. All of this is well documented by a lot a news outlets and not just from those that are considered right-leaning.
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  Then go back and read my original comment again lol. Protests are not war zones, nor are they "burning the city to the ground" nor are they even starting fires (and you did use the word fires). My point is that the administration is lying about what's happening in Portland, and you don't seem to care. The things you're describing are not the same things the administration is describing. And again, I don't know much about the protests in Portland, but Trump keeps saying the ones in Chicago are violent when they are not, so unless you can show me that Portland is different, it'll continue to assume you, like the president, are making things up
  - kcplate 1y ago
    Did you also happen to notice the quotes around my use of that word? Apparently not. But now that I have pointed that out to you why do you suppose I did that? That was a sarcastic reference to the original claim. You also attribute to me an attitude that I did not express on here. My point all along was that the propaganda goes both ways. The government exaggerates their claims and the protesters try to minimize their violence and destructive impact. I stand by that, especially now that you have mischaracterized me several times over the course of this thread. You also describe the Chicago protests as non-violent (and you claim you know about those), but that is simply not true. Just yesterday the Broadview Illinois mayor Katrina Thompson decried the violence of the protesters in her city from Saturday night, So you are contributing to that other side of the propaganda coin by minimizing in the same way the government exaggerates. “There are too many protesters are raising their fists rather than their voices, creating chaos at the expense of the people who call Broadview home,” Thompson said in a statement. “Broadview residents lack the protestors’ privilege to return to calm, quiet neighborhoods for undisturbed rest.” https://news.wttw.com/2025/10/13/broadview-mayor-shrinks-designated-protest-area-outside-ice-facility https://news.wttw.com/2025/10/13/broadview-mayor-shrinks-des...
    - tptacek 1y ago
      No she didn't. I'm intimately familiar with the Broadview mayor situation since it's basically the biggest news in Oak Park politics. The protests, and, much more importantly, the response they're generating from DHS, are disruptive to the neighborhood. Violence from the protesters has nothing to do with it --- there is no violence from the protesters. The protesters are middle-aged professionals the western suburbs. The article says nothing different than that, either. Whether you meant to or not, you basically made up the notion that there was violence from the protesters, which is not OK. Please be more careful.
      - kcplate 1y ago
        You don’t need to chastise me. I quoted the Mayor who was quoted in a local PBS affiliate news report. If you have an issue with it’s accuracy, you should be reaching out to that affiliate and take issue with their reporting.

tptacek 1y ago

I live a 20 minute bike ride from the Broadview ICE facility (the focus of the protests here) and there has been no indication whatsoever of violence originating in the protests (the average age of a Broadview protester appears to be 45, the average hair color "balding"). It is annoying the residents of Broadview though, since ICE/DHS is erecting barricades and disrupting traffic flows.

kcplate 1y ago

I never made that claim. All I said was that there have been protests at the ICE facility in Portland, that there has been violence, and there has been arrests. All of this is well documented by a lot a news outlets and not just from those that are considered right-leaning.

queenkjuul 1y ago
Then go back and read my original comment again lol. Protests are not war zones, nor are they "burning the city to the ground" nor are they even starting fires (and you did use the word fires). My point is that the administration is lying about what's happening in Portland, and you don't seem to care. The things you're describing are not the same things the administration is describing. And again, I don't know much about the protests in Portland, but Trump keeps saying the ones in Chicago are violent when they are not, so unless you can show me that Portland is different, it'll continue to assume you, like the president, are making things up
- kcplate 1y ago
  Did you also happen to notice the quotes around my use of that word? Apparently not. But now that I have pointed that out to you why do you suppose I did that? That was a sarcastic reference to the original claim. You also attribute to me an attitude that I did not express on here. My point all along was that the propaganda goes both ways. The government exaggerates their claims and the protesters try to minimize their violence and destructive impact. I stand by that, especially now that you have mischaracterized me several times over the course of this thread. You also describe the Chicago protests as non-violent (and you claim you know about those), but that is simply not true. Just yesterday the Broadview Illinois mayor Katrina Thompson decried the violence of the protesters in her city from Saturday night, So you are contributing to that other side of the propaganda coin by minimizing in the same way the government exaggerates. “There are too many protesters are raising their fists rather than their voices, creating chaos at the expense of the people who call Broadview home,” Thompson said in a statement. “Broadview residents lack the protestors’ privilege to return to calm, quiet neighborhoods for undisturbed rest.” https://news.wttw.com/2025/10/13/broadview-mayor-shrinks-designated-protest-area-outside-ice-facility https://news.wttw.com/2025/10/13/broadview-mayor-shrinks-des...
  - tptacek 1y ago
    No she didn't. I'm intimately familiar with the Broadview mayor situation since it's basically the biggest news in Oak Park politics. The protests, and, much more importantly, the response they're generating from DHS, are disruptive to the neighborhood. Violence from the protesters has nothing to do with it --- there is no violence from the protesters. The protesters are middle-aged professionals the western suburbs. The article says nothing different than that, either. Whether you meant to or not, you basically made up the notion that there was violence from the protesters, which is not OK. Please be more careful.
    - kcplate 1y ago
      You don’t need to chastise me. I quoted the Mayor who was quoted in a local PBS affiliate news report. If you have an issue with it’s accuracy, you should be reaching out to that affiliate and take issue with their reporting.