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Some are so vastly better that it's worth whatever small inconvenience comes with getting them installed. I know the classic tools very well, but I'll prefer fd

Some are so vastly better that it's worth whatever small inconvenience comes with getting them installed. I know the classic tools very well, but I'll prefer fd and ripgrep every time.

dbacar 1y ago
+100
BrouteMinou 1y ago
For my part, the day I was confused why "grep" couldn't find some files that were obviously there, only to realize that "ripgrep" is ignoring files in the gitignore, that was the day I removed "ripgrep" of my system. I never asked for such behaviour, and I have no time for pretty "modern" opinions in a base software. Often, when I read "modern", I read "immature". I am not ready to replace my stable base utilities for some immature ones having behaviour changes. The scripts I wrote 5 years ago must work as is.
- maleldil 1y ago
  The very first paragraph in ripgrep's README makes that behaviour very clear: > ripgrep is a line-oriented search tool that recursively searches the current directory for a regex pattern. By default, ripgrep will respect gitignore rules and automatically skip hidden files/directories and binary files. (To disable all automatic filtering by default, use rg -uuu.) https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep
- burntsushi 1y ago
  You did ask for it though. Because ripgrep prominently advertises this default behavior. And it also documents that it isn't a POSIX compatible grep. Which is quite intentional. That's not immature. That's just different design decisions. Maybe it isn't the software you're using that's immature, but your vetting process for installing new tools on your machine that is immature. Because hey guess what: you can still use grep! So I built something different.
- exdeejay_ 1y ago
  Sounds like the problem you have here is that `grep` is aliased to `ripgrep`. ripgrep isn't intended to be a drop-in replacement for POSIX grep, and the subjectively easier usage of ripgrep can never replace grep's matureness and adoption. Note: if you want to make ripgrep not do .gitignore filtering, set `RIPGREP_CONFIG_PATH` to point to a config file that contains `-uu`. Sources: - https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/GUIDE.md#configuration-file https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/GUIDE.md#c... - https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/GUIDE.md#automatic-filtering https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/GUIDE.md#a...
  - BrouteMinou 1y ago
    So I stand corrected. I did indeed use ripgrep as a drop-in replacement. That's on me!
    - great_wubwub 1y ago
      I've been playing around with this over the years and this is what I put in my .rgrc: --smart-case --no-messages --hidden --ignore-vcs and then point to it with .zshenv 3:export RIPGREP_CONFIG_PATH="$HOME/.rgrc" Not perfect and sometimes I reach for good old fashioned escaped \grep but most of the time it's fine.
- soraminazuki 1y ago
  It's odd how, with every new tool that emerges, some people fixate solely on whether it’s an exact clone of what they already know. They overlook the broader differences and trade-offs, treating anything less than a complete replica down to its quirks as unworthy of anyone's attention. While insults like "immature" are rarely thrown around right away, it's a frustratingly narrow perspective. Regarding ripgrep: if it's not bug-for-bug compatible with grep, it’s deemed useless. Yet, if it is identical, then why bother using it at all? What kind of logic is that?

Some are so vastly better that it's worth whatever small inconvenience comes with getting them installed. I know the classic tools very well, but I'll prefer fd and ripgrep every time.

dbacar 1y ago

+100

BrouteMinou 1y ago

For my part, the day I was confused why "grep" couldn't find some files that were obviously there, only to realize that "ripgrep" is ignoring files in the gitignore, that was the day I removed "ripgrep" of my system. I never asked for such behaviour, and I have no time for pretty "modern" opinions in a base software. Often, when I read "modern", I read "immature". I am not ready to replace my stable base utilities for some immature ones having behaviour changes. The scripts I wrote 5 years ago must work as is.

maleldil 1y ago
The very first paragraph in ripgrep's README makes that behaviour very clear: > ripgrep is a line-oriented search tool that recursively searches the current directory for a regex pattern. By default, ripgrep will respect gitignore rules and automatically skip hidden files/directories and binary files. (To disable all automatic filtering by default, use rg -uuu.) https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep
burntsushi 1y ago
You did ask for it though. Because ripgrep prominently advertises this default behavior. And it also documents that it isn't a POSIX compatible grep. Which is quite intentional. That's not immature. That's just different design decisions. Maybe it isn't the software you're using that's immature, but your vetting process for installing new tools on your machine that is immature. Because hey guess what: you can still use grep! So I built something different.
exdeejay_ 1y ago
Sounds like the problem you have here is that `grep` is aliased to `ripgrep`. ripgrep isn't intended to be a drop-in replacement for POSIX grep, and the subjectively easier usage of ripgrep can never replace grep's matureness and adoption. Note: if you want to make ripgrep not do .gitignore filtering, set `RIPGREP_CONFIG_PATH` to point to a config file that contains `-uu`. Sources: - https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/GUIDE.md#configuration-file https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/GUIDE.md#c... - https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/GUIDE.md#automatic-filtering https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep/blob/master/GUIDE.md#a...
- BrouteMinou 1y ago
  So I stand corrected. I did indeed use ripgrep as a drop-in replacement. That's on me!
  - great_wubwub 1y ago
    I've been playing around with this over the years and this is what I put in my .rgrc: --smart-case --no-messages --hidden --ignore-vcs and then point to it with .zshenv 3:export RIPGREP_CONFIG_PATH="$HOME/.rgrc" Not perfect and sometimes I reach for good old fashioned escaped \grep but most of the time it's fine.
soraminazuki 1y ago
It's odd how, with every new tool that emerges, some people fixate solely on whether it’s an exact clone of what they already know. They overlook the broader differences and trade-offs, treating anything less than a complete replica down to its quirks as unworthy of anyone's attention. While insults like "immature" are rarely thrown around right away, it's a frustratingly narrow perspective. Regarding ripgrep: if it's not bug-for-bug compatible with grep, it’s deemed useless. Yet, if it is identical, then why bother using it at all? What kind of logic is that?