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Id argue that being a good fiction consumer is not letting a brand or franchise become your identity and know when to drop something. I saw the phantom menace

by HK-NC 1y ago

Id argue that being a good fiction consumer is not letting a brand or franchise become your identity and know when to drop something. I saw the phantom menace when I was 12 and hated it. I was a massive Star Wars fan. I've seen nothing from Star Wars since and as far as I can tell I've missed nothing of value over 25 years. Terminator 3, Prometheus, Ghostbusters reboot, many more. We are not obliged to consume garbage.

lelanthran 1y ago
> I saw the phantom menace when I was 12 and hated it. I was a massive Star Wars fan. I've seen nothing from Star Wars since Too bad; after seeing the recent Disney mary-sue-iffied, everyone-carries-the-stupid-ball, hey-look-new-big-bad-with-no-explanation-of-where-he-came-from movies, my estimation of the prequels went up by a considerable amount. In light of the newer movies, those prequels are actually very very good; a very mature take that approached mature themes ("So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause", and many more I can't think off right now). Maybe your 12yo mind was not sufficiently mature enough[1], but your middle-aged mind might be - you should seem them again. ======================== [1] Hell, I saw them in my mid-20s, and even then I was not mature enough to appreciate the subtext and themes. When I saw them again recently in my mid-40s, I was much more aware of things in the world, especially how impressionable Annakin was, because now that I am older I see how actual adults are easily impressionable at that age (mid-20s).
- YeGoblynQueenne 1y ago
  What if the Prequels were movies with the same actors, acting in the same way, to the same script, but had nothing to do with Star Wars? Would you still think they were full of mature themes, or that it's all a bunch of half-arsed tropes that panders to the lowest common denominator[1]? _____________ [1] Swordfights! Intrigue! Romance! Cute robots! Cool races! Only You Can Save the World!
  - lelanthran 1y ago
    > What if the Prequels were movies with the same actors, acting in the same way, to the same script, but had nothing to do with Star Wars? Would you still think they were full of mature themes Well, yes. My initial viewing was colored by expecting the same sort of story that the original trilogy had. The prequels ended up being a very different sort of story. > or that it's all a bunch of half-arsed tropes that panders to the lowest common denominator[1]? Doesn't this apply to all the movies you like too? What's different in the movies you liked? Are the tropes all full-arsed?
    - YeGoblynQueenne 1y ago
      I know it can be hard to believe but not all movies are stitched-together sequences of tropes.
      - lelanthran 1y ago
        > I know it can be hard to believe but not all movies are stitched-together sequences of tropes. You're quite correct; that is hard to believe. Any mainstream movie (i.e. one that was available on a streaming channel or on TV at some point) you have in mind that isn't filled with tropes?
        YeGoblynQueenne 1y ago
        Is it OK if I watch movies that are not "mainstream"?

by HK-NC 1y ago

lelanthran 1y ago

> I saw the phantom menace when I was 12 and hated it. I was a massive Star Wars fan. I've seen nothing from Star Wars since Too bad; after seeing the recent Disney mary-sue-iffied, everyone-carries-the-stupid-ball, hey-look-new-big-bad-with-no-explanation-of-where-he-came-from movies, my estimation of the prequels went up by a considerable amount. In light of the newer movies, those prequels are actually very very good; a very mature take that approached mature themes ("So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause", and many more I can't think off right now). Maybe your 12yo mind was not sufficiently mature enough[1], but your middle-aged mind might be - you should seem them again. ======================== [1] Hell, I saw them in my mid-20s, and even then I was not mature enough to appreciate the subtext and themes. When I saw them again recently in my mid-40s, I was much more aware of things in the world, especially how impressionable Annakin was, because now that I am older I see how actual adults are easily impressionable at that age (mid-20s).

YeGoblynQueenne 1y ago
What if the Prequels were movies with the same actors, acting in the same way, to the same script, but had nothing to do with Star Wars? Would you still think they were full of mature themes, or that it's all a bunch of half-arsed tropes that panders to the lowest common denominator[1]? _____________ [1] Swordfights! Intrigue! Romance! Cute robots! Cool races! Only You Can Save the World!
- lelanthran 1y ago
  > What if the Prequels were movies with the same actors, acting in the same way, to the same script, but had nothing to do with Star Wars? Would you still think they were full of mature themes Well, yes. My initial viewing was colored by expecting the same sort of story that the original trilogy had. The prequels ended up being a very different sort of story. > or that it's all a bunch of half-arsed tropes that panders to the lowest common denominator[1]? Doesn't this apply to all the movies you like too? What's different in the movies you liked? Are the tropes all full-arsed?
  - YeGoblynQueenne 1y ago
    I know it can be hard to believe but not all movies are stitched-together sequences of tropes.
    - lelanthran 1y ago
      > I know it can be hard to believe but not all movies are stitched-together sequences of tropes. You're quite correct; that is hard to believe. Any mainstream movie (i.e. one that was available on a streaming channel or on TV at some point) you have in mind that isn't filled with tropes?
      - YeGoblynQueenne 1y ago
        Is it OK if I watch movies that are not "mainstream"?