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It’s not an “app” in the traditional sense. Just a webpage with a bundled web bowser (electron). This is like the worst of everything. A terrible noncustomiza
by mmh0000 1y ago
It’s not an “app” in the traditional sense.
Just a webpage with a bundled web bowser (electron).
This is like the worst of everything. A terrible noncustomizable browser and a poor email client glued together.
- deleted 1y ago[deleted]
- echelon 1y agoObsidian is an Electron app, and it's one of the best apps in the world. Don't hate on the tech stack.
- isolatedsystem 1y agoYes. I'm over the hatred for Electron too. Programmers have few options if they want cross-platform compatibility without Electron. What else are they going to use? QT? Please, give me a break. Some angelic developers like the KeepassXC guys still use QT, but that is a tough road to go down on. For the rest of them, Electron Or Bust I'm afraid.
- bigstrat2003 1y agoI would unironically rather have nothing than an Electron app in most cases. They are that bad. And in this case the app doesn't even add anything of value. Literally any email application will let you do the same thing.
- dymk 1y agoWhat is that bad about them?
- tankenmate 1y agoWaste of disk, RAM, and CPU. Tabs in your browser at least try to share those; but no chance of that with Electron.
- wiseowise 1y ago> I would unironically rather have nothing than an Electron app in most cases. So let me understand something: you obviously have a free will to not use something, but you would prefer something TO NOT exist and NOT solve problems for users, because you hate the technology so much?
- JodieBenitez 1y agoTauri or similar webview integrations ? Even though it is based on the OS’s native web renderer, so prone to break.
- throawayonthe 1y agotauri sucks on linux right now because there isn't a good "system webview" available hoping servo makes it better
- JodieBenitez 1y agoI've used similar webview solutions before and they can break even on Windows (example: needing edge webview2 but not available on the user install). I get why people are pissed off by Electron but I also get why it's the de facto standard in its field.
- echelon 1y agoTauri needs to bite the bullet and bundle Chromium.
- ozgrakkurt 1y agoWhy do they even need an app if they use electron? Even discord is basically the same thing in the browser
- dima55 1y agoThere are multiple cross-platform gui toolkits. What's wrong with QT?
- fragmede 1y agoUsing QT is complex for commerical products.
- rubymamis 1y agoHow so? I've used Qt for my commercial note-taking app[1]. [1] https://get-notes.com https://get-notes.com
- isolatedsystem 1y agoWhoa. This looks very interesting. Does it support maths? Are the images stored locally? Can fonts and typography be changed? How does it differ from your open-source version which looks similar?
- rubymamis 1y agoThanks! - Not yet, but adding support for Math blocks is planned. - Yes, images are stored locally in the ~/user/.config/Awesomeness/attachments folder - Yes, but only for pre-defined fonts. This is by design - I wanted the app to be opinionatingly simple. But since I got many requests for that, I'm gonna add an option in the settings for that. - My FOSS version uses a simple plaintext editor (QTextEdit) with some Markdown highlighting. Daino Notes uses a block editor (a la Notion) I wrote from scratch[1] - this allows me to add complex blocks *in the middle of the documents* - so things like Kanban, Images - any custom component that I wish basically - so also math blocks, tables, etc in the future. It's also allows me to do nifty things like cool drag & drop[2] and the editor is even more performant than QTextEdit (especially on large texts). [1] https://rubymamistvalove.com/block-editor https://rubymamistvalove.com/block-editor [2] https://rubymamistvalove.com/blog/drag_and_drop_internal.mp4 https://rubymamistvalove.com/blog/drag_and_drop_internal.mp4
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- justmarc 1y agoFlutter is a pretty good alternative.
- wiseowise 1y agoEven worse performance on Web and Desktop, very good indeed.
- lelandfe 1y agoI have many, many issues with Obsidian. It’s not a great Mac citizen. The feature set is wonderful, however.
- coffeefirst 1y agoObsidian is tricky. I'm not sure you can actually achieve the crazy level of flexibility and custom theming without having some rough edges.
- kepano 1y agoWhat would make it a better Mac citizen? (aside from not using Electron)
- bromuro 1y agoI cannot stand Obsidian because I dislike its UX so much - if it were a native app i’d use it.
- aniforprez 1y agoThere is no connection between whether an app is native or electron based and its UX so not sure why you'd bring this up. There's enough and more native apps with horrible UX and plenty of electron apps with excellent UX.
- DobarDabar 1y ago[dead]
- stock_toaster 1y agoI agree. As an obsidian user, I use it _despite_ the bad UX, certainly not because of it!
- kid64 1y agoDamn your standards are low
- aucisson_masque 1y agoThat's the main reason why I don't like opening my obsidian vault, it takes too damn long to open. When I want to take a simple note, I'll either open apple note, Google keep, anything that is native because it opens instantly whereas you got to wait like a second for obsidian to open. 1 second is small but also long when you just want to quickly write something and move on.
- raincole 1y ago[flagged]
- pjerem 1y ago> This is like the worst of everything. A terrible noncustomizable browser Agree. > and a poor email client glued together. Totally disagree. FastMail webmail is really good, probably the best webmail/mail client. Actually, I would use this desktop app if it was compatible with IMAP.
- piva00 1y agoAgreed, Fastmail works so much better than GMail/Google Workspaces, moved my personal domains to Fastmail a while ago, and it's painful to use my work GMail during my day job...
- notarobot123 1y agoThis has been the standard way to distribute software across platforms for a while now. I'm not sure I understand this kind of objection anymore. What's the alternative? Fastmail also have a decent API if you're keen to glue together a better client yourself.
- mmh0000 1y agoExactly! They support imap so I can use any of the zillion native, much better performing, consistent UI, email clients out there. What does their webpage wrapped in a fairly poor, memory hungry browser get me over just going to their website in my browser?
- eviks 1y agoThe alternative is a performant native app, what’s there to understand?