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Obviously a meat brain is incomparable to a LLM - they are different types of intelligence. Any sane person wouldn't claim a LLM to be conscious in the meat bra
by nextworddev 1y ago
Obviously a meat brain is incomparable to a LLM - they are different types of intelligence. Any sane person wouldn't claim a LLM to be conscious in the meat brain sense, but it may be conscious in a LLM way, like the duration of time where matrix multiplications are firing inside GPUs.
- nurettin 1y agoIt just aligns generated words according to the input. It is missing individual agency and self sufficiency which is a hallmark of consciousness. We sometimes confuse the responses with actual thought because neural networks solved language so utterly and completely.
- cma 1y ago> It is missing individual agency and self sufficiency which is a hallmark of consciousness. You can be completely paralyzed and completely concious.
- nurettin 1y agoYes, and you have individual agency while completely paralyzed.
- cma 1y agoSelf sufficiency was one of his conditions.
- tsimionescu 1y agoYes, but you can't be completely suspended with no sensory input or output, not even internally (i.e. hunger, inner pains, etc), and no desires, and still be conscious.
- cma 1y ago> no sensory input or output Multimodal LLMs get input from cameras and text and generate output. They undergo reinforcement learning with some analogy to pain/pleasure and they express desires. I don't think they are conscious but I don't think they necessarily fail these proposed preconditions, unless you meant while they are suspended.
- Zarathruster 1y agoNot sure I'd use those criteria, nor have I heard them described as hallmarks of consciousness (though I'm open, if you'll elaborate). I think the existence of qualia, of a subjective inner life, would be both necessary and sufficient. Most concisely: could we ask, "What is it like to be Claude?" If there's no "what it's like," then there's no consciousness. Otherwise yeah, agreed on LLMs.
- nurettin 1y agoI'd say being the maintainer of the weights is individual agency. Not just training new agents, but introspection. So autonomous management system would be pretty much conscious.
- zahlman 1y agoIf an LLM could be "conscious in an LLM way", then why not the same, mutatis mutandis, for an ordinary computer program?
- nextworddev 1y agobecause an ordinary program is deterministic, LLM is probablistic + it has some synthetic-reasoning ability