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The 2020 CZU Lightning Complex Fires destroyed thousands of homes in the Santa Cruz mountains, a "wilderness" area that has been filled with mountain homes Man

The 2020 CZU Lightning Complex Fires destroyed thousands of homes in the Santa Cruz mountains, a "wilderness" area that has been filled with mountain homes Many (most) have not yet had permits issued for rebuilding, most commonly because the owners can not meet, or are unwilling to meet, the standards for septic systems. There have been decades of higher standards for all sorts of code. Nothing nearly as stringent for multifsmlt housing, a code which makes housing six times safer than single family housing. But still strict enough that four decades of no-growth policy left most people completely unaware of how hard it is to build housing.

s1artibartfast 1y ago
And the state and country are happy to leave them hanging indefinitely. property seizure via regulation.
- epistasis 1y ago
  As somebody who would like to swim in the San Lorenzo River with my children, I'm not super enthusiastic about allowing them to continue to pollute the river. It may be that the septic regulations are excessive, but oddly I've never heard anybody argue that the regulations are unnecessary, they just argue that they don't want to follow them because they didn't have to in the past. I'd be a bit more sympathetic to the mountain folks if they had an argument that the regulations were incorrect. The real property seizure is what's happening to the public land so that people can live for cheap and not cover their own pollution. People still have the land. Though if they want to try to overturn Euclid v. Amber and make zoning illegal, I'm there to help them! Necessary environmental regulations are not something I want to overturn, however.
  - s1artibartfast 1y ago
    That is indeed the conflict. IDK if the regulations are unnecessary to maintain a swimmable river either. however, it is undeniable that there was a change in regulation and restriction, even if that is going from a river quality is optional to the priority. Beneficiaries are happy to benefit, and if that takes away powers and property from others, so be it. This is the dynamic that I am highlighting.

s1artibartfast 1y ago

And the state and country are happy to leave them hanging indefinitely. property seizure via regulation.

epistasis 1y ago
As somebody who would like to swim in the San Lorenzo River with my children, I'm not super enthusiastic about allowing them to continue to pollute the river. It may be that the septic regulations are excessive, but oddly I've never heard anybody argue that the regulations are unnecessary, they just argue that they don't want to follow them because they didn't have to in the past. I'd be a bit more sympathetic to the mountain folks if they had an argument that the regulations were incorrect. The real property seizure is what's happening to the public land so that people can live for cheap and not cover their own pollution. People still have the land. Though if they want to try to overturn Euclid v. Amber and make zoning illegal, I'm there to help them! Necessary environmental regulations are not something I want to overturn, however.
- s1artibartfast 1y ago
  That is indeed the conflict. IDK if the regulations are unnecessary to maintain a swimmable river either. however, it is undeniable that there was a change in regulation and restriction, even if that is going from a river quality is optional to the priority. Beneficiaries are happy to benefit, and if that takes away powers and property from others, so be it. This is the dynamic that I am highlighting.