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It's about to get much worse. You can't vibe code without using a service from a big company, and obeying their rules. If Microsoft terminates your account, y
by Animats 1y ago
It's about to get much worse.
You can't vibe code without using a service from a big company, and obeying their rules.
If Microsoft terminates your account, your programming career is over.
- toast0 1y ago> If Microsoft terminates your account, your programming career is over. Why wouldn't you just get another account?
- themacguffinman 1y agoAll major platforms have mechanisms to identify ban evasion. It's not so easy to create another account when, for example, they ask for a phone number.
- TuxSH 1y agoSlightly unrelated but GH's ToS clearly only permit one free account per person and I've heard they sometimes enforce this
- drnick1 1y agoIn the U.S. at least, it is trivial to buy a new SIM anonymously. But really, you should refuse to use any platform that requires a phone number in the first place. These companies make it implicitly very clear that they want to control you and extract every bit of information that they can from you.
- EvanAnderson 1y agoAge verification laws in the US are chipping away at Internet anonymity. You might not be able to get another account because your legal identity might be required (and can be banned).
- kube-system 1y agoThis isn’t just a US thing. Many countries require KYC for a lot of online accounts
- protocolture 1y ago>You can't vibe code without using a service from a big company, and obeying their rules. In abstract, probably true, but so vague to be useless. I can probably vibe code with qwen on debian. But are you then going to pivot from your microsoft example to like, my ISP? And if I point out I can move to an ISP with less than 5 staff, you will probably just move the goalposts further right? Might be better to let you establish your goalposts first hey.
- kragen 1y agoWhat has your experience vibecoding with Qwen on Debian been like so far? What tooling and approaches have you found to work best?
- brazukadev 1y agoI'm implementing an MCP client using Qwen3 4B and its tool call capabilities are impressive! I'm sure it will only improve and the 30B is probably already much better.
- kragen 1y agoWhat are you running it in, ollama? Did you have to install some additional software to enable it to call tools (also via MCP?)
- brazukadev 1y agoLM Studio. No additional software but I implemented the MCP client myself using the typescript-sdk[0] 0. https://github.com/modelcontextprotocol/typescript-sdk https://github.com/modelcontextprotocol/typescript-sdk
- kragen 1y agoThank you very much!
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- nixpulvis 1y agoThis is one of my biggest problems with AI coding assistance. And how they will shape the development of less human friendly APIs and libraries over time.
- unleaded 1y agoi'm guessing you've never seen r/LocalLLaMA? It's a miracle that open-weight LLMs are even a thing at all, let alone as good as they are (very).
- janice1999 1y agoYou need thousands of dollars of hardware to run a decent coding model with bearable tokens/s.
- wmf 1y agoFreedom isn't free.
- warkdarrior 1y agoFreedom isn't free. That is why GPL does allow charging money for software.
- 827a 1y agoEh, this I cannot abide with. There are dozens of hosted model providers, from the foundational providers (OpenAI, Anthropic, etc) to cloud re-hosting (Azure, GCP, AWS) to routing proxies (OpenRouter, Vercel, etc). There are huge open source models that are quite competitive (Qwen3-Coder). There are smaller open source models that can run on your laptop and easily help with function writing. There are walled garden, highly integrated tools (Claude Code, Codex) and there are plug-and-play bring your own API key or model tools (Charm Crush, etc). The ecosystem is vast, and every facet of it appears to be getting better.
- sherburt3 1y agoWhat if you just like do normal programming instead?
- echelon 1y agoWhat if vibe coding becomes 20x faster than normal coding? Are you going to stay old school and write artisanal code?
- skydhash 1y agoThere's no silver bullet in software development.
- echelon 1y agoUniversal statements have a high burden of proof. People used to claim we'd never fly. Shortly after we started, we reached the moon. The entirety of the last 60 years of software may have been a low energy local optima.
- skydhash 1y agoThe last 60 years of software gave us amazing projects, and if you go through their code, you'll see the same principles that is outlined in every good software engineering book: Good organization, hackish when needs be to resolve some accidental complexity, good comments,... Most of those things rely on having the right mindset/philosophy first, then having a good grasp about the domain and the technologies (programming languages, platforms, libraries,...). After that you need to start thinking about the tools you used to help you (editors, test runners, static analyzers, debuggers,...). Most LLM users put the latter above all others. Like using the agent precludes knowing about the domain, the technology, and the tooling. And what philosophy? Craftmanship? Sir, here it's all about YOLO.
- jezek2 1y agoQuantity was never an issue, quality is.
- bigstrat2003 1y ago> You can't vibe code without using a service from a big company, and obeying their rules. True, but that's also not exactly a good thing to be doing to begin with.
- jamesnorden 1y agoCan't tell if this is a joke or not...