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Here's a dumb question, tangentially related, since they have a 10gig L2 switch mentioned... How come nobody (almost) makes L2 10gig switches? Ubiquiti has a 8p

Here's a dumb question, tangentially related, since they have a 10gig L2 switch mentioned... How come nobody (almost) makes L2 10gig switches? Ubiquiti has a 8port L2, that really seems to be it.

denotational 1y ago
Do you mean specifically as consumer products? There are loads of 10GbE switches from Cisco/Juniper/Arista/et al.
- phatfish 1y ago
  I'd guess so. The last time I was checking (which was over 5 years ago now admittedly) there were no 10GbE switch options for reasonable prices. Juniper had good 16 port options with 1GbE interfaces at not crazy prices (which I have two of). Going to 10GbE was many multiples of the 1GbE price. They just seemed way too expensive and were not dropping. As it goes, maxing out 1GbE is fast enough for the sort of data and IOPS I send over my LAN. So 10GbE would probably have been overkill.
  - jasonwatkinspdx 1y ago
    The 10Gb twisted pair cable requirements can bite you also. You may be working with who knows what installed cable that can't push it reliably. Or as a DIY person you may not understand exactly what to buy or limitations on running it. 1Gb is fast enough, cheap, and basically foolproof.
  - Hikikomori 1y ago
    Enterprise 10G SFP+ switches has been pretty cheap on eBay for longer than that. While you can plug in an rj45 SFP it's just cheaper and better to use DAC cables.
    - bigfatkitten 1y ago
      Second hand optics and preterminated fibre are cheap now too.
      - denkmoon 1y ago
        First hand optics and fibre are cheap too really. I just picked up some 10GBASE-SR SFPs for $25usd ea, while an equivalent copper 10GBASE-T SFP module is nearly $90.
    - zokier 1y ago
      Isn't the software (licensing) situation for second-hand enterprise switches bit iffy?
comboy 1y ago
Mikrotik has quite a few, I've been happily using CRS306 and CRS312 for some years now.
Hikikomori 1y ago
Not counting Cisco, juniper etc? Can probably get 32port 10G on eBay for cheap. There's also some on Amazon and AliExpress. And tons of white label options.
hackmiester 1y ago
Do you mean like most vendors have moved onto faster port speeds? Mostly you can still use the slower 10G optics and the ports will clock down even if the nominal port speed is higher.

Here's a dumb question, tangentially related, since they have a 10gig L2 switch mentioned... How come nobody (almost) makes L2 10gig switches? Ubiquiti has a 8port L2, that really seems to be it.

denotational 1y ago

Do you mean specifically as consumer products? There are loads of 10GbE switches from Cisco/Juniper/Arista/et al.

phatfish 1y ago
I'd guess so. The last time I was checking (which was over 5 years ago now admittedly) there were no 10GbE switch options for reasonable prices. Juniper had good 16 port options with 1GbE interfaces at not crazy prices (which I have two of). Going to 10GbE was many multiples of the 1GbE price. They just seemed way too expensive and were not dropping. As it goes, maxing out 1GbE is fast enough for the sort of data and IOPS I send over my LAN. So 10GbE would probably have been overkill.
- jasonwatkinspdx 1y ago
  The 10Gb twisted pair cable requirements can bite you also. You may be working with who knows what installed cable that can't push it reliably. Or as a DIY person you may not understand exactly what to buy or limitations on running it. 1Gb is fast enough, cheap, and basically foolproof.
- Hikikomori 1y ago
  Enterprise 10G SFP+ switches has been pretty cheap on eBay for longer than that. While you can plug in an rj45 SFP it's just cheaper and better to use DAC cables.
  - bigfatkitten 1y ago
    Second hand optics and preterminated fibre are cheap now too.
    - denkmoon 1y ago
      First hand optics and fibre are cheap too really. I just picked up some 10GBASE-SR SFPs for $25usd ea, while an equivalent copper 10GBASE-T SFP module is nearly $90.
  - zokier 1y ago
    Isn't the software (licensing) situation for second-hand enterprise switches bit iffy?

comboy 1y ago

Mikrotik has quite a few, I've been happily using CRS306 and CRS312 for some years now.

Hikikomori 1y ago

Not counting Cisco, juniper etc? Can probably get 32port 10G on eBay for cheap. There's also some on Amazon and AliExpress. And tons of white label options.

hackmiester 1y ago

Do you mean like most vendors have moved onto faster port speeds? Mostly you can still use the slower 10G optics and the ports will clock down even if the nominal port speed is higher.