"Towering" implies unweidly or disorganized to me and there are certainly parts of the Java world like that -- to be avoided. The number of abstractions/librar

"Towering" implies unweidly or disorganized to me and there are certainly parts of the Java world like that -- to be avoided. The number of abstractions/libraries seems irrelevant to the discussion if they can indeed be out of your way (you're saying because of all the boilerplate etc. that they aren't, so I guess we're talking about different things). If they're powerful and there's a small surface error for dealing with them then great, that's a high return on investment situation. Getting to that small surface error takes an IDE sometimes which is unfortunate on some level but I don't find anything fundamentally wrong with it. Personally, I can't stand even simple programs in Java with a text editor because of the amount of subdirectories you need to suddenly be aware of... org/blah/blah/blah/blah/blah (this is how I learned it originally).