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At the time, every politician including California Governor Gavin Newsom jumped on the "it's clearly climate change" bandwagon. It turns out it was good old fa

by Alupis 1y ago

At the time, every politician including California Governor Gavin Newsom jumped on the "it's clearly climate change" bandwagon. It turns out it was good old fashioned arson[1]. [1] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-10-08/palisades-fire-arrest https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-10-08/palisade...

jostmey 1y ago
A small bush fire is not supposed to cause 60 billion in damage. Also, innocent until proven guilty. The evidence against the guy seems weak… like generating images on ChatGPT
- Alupis 1y ago
  A significant amount of that damage was due to government policy, or rather failures of government policy. Fire hydrants literally went dry in the middle of firefighting. Fire Departments were critically understaffed, and were using critically outdated dispatching systems that didn't share information or communication effectively. The fire was started by arson, and it ravaged the city due to government failures.
yieldcrv 1y ago
Arson and the heavy and warm Santa Ana winds which is climate related LA was experience hurricane force 80 mph winds, which were its own issue LA always has small smoldering fires from arson and other sources With that baseline then it’s still climate related, leaving us to evaluate if that particular weather event was part of any change or has its own prior frequency and intensity. It also reveals how vulnerable the area is to climate change either way
- Alupis 1y ago
  FTA: > Los Angeles fire officials, already under scrutiny for their failure to pre-deploy engines to the Palisades fire, are now facing questions about why they didn’t fully extinguish the flames from the initial fire before hurricane-force winds blew into the area and fanned an ember buried within the roots of dense vegetation. Multiple, stacking governmental failures are to blame for the breadth of destruction here. [1] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-10-08/palisades-fire-arrest https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-10-08/palisade...
  - yieldcrv 1y ago
    Yes, and my main point that LA always has multiple not fully extinguished flames Highlighting the vulnerability to climate change Right now, that’s just government officials trying to cover their ass with finger pointing in the face of standard operating procedure, either way incompetence needs to be rooted out and the procedure needs to be changed, recognizing the changing climate environment
    - Alupis 1y ago
      Again, FTA: > A Times investigation found that LAFD officials did not pre-deploy any engines to the Palisades ahead of the Jan. 7 fire, despite warnings about extreme weather. In preparing for the winds, the department staffed up only five of more than 40 engines available to supplement the regular firefighting force. > Those engines could have been pre-positioned in the Palisades and elsewhere, as had been done in the past during similar weather. This was governmental failure at large. Not climate change. Extreme weather happens, and we (citizens) expect our government to prepare accordingly. It's literally their job to prepare for this sort of catastrophe. > Right now, that’s just government officials trying to cover their ass with finger pointing You are right - with finger pointing at climate change, throwing their hands up in the air while saying "what are you gonna do, it's extreme weather!". The weather was predictable and was predicted - and the government failed to plan accordingly. The government systematically underfunded, under-trained, and under utilized it's emergency resources. There's very little excuse here.
      - yieldcrv 1y ago
        I'm very familiar with the post-mortem, most of this was available since March Since you like to quote things that are unrelated to the prior things you quoted, let's continue listing them: The reservoir for the palisades wasn't filled due to a different form of incompetence, so even if the firefighters were there they would run out of water The pump system in the palisades didn't have enough pressure for large scale use, multiple fire hydrants would have resulted in the same lack of water Now let's go back to what was mentioned earlier, and the thing we actually agree on, the standard operating procedure needs to change - and here is where we disagree: with urgency due to the likelihood of weather events. This whole thread I specifically avoided saying "its due to climate change" selecting words to avoid your deflections, and yet your whole identity is based on making sure nobody even discusses the possibility it might be. There are also smouldering fires in LA quite often. The way LAFD deals with them needs to change.... due to the likelihood of weather events. The palisades fire smouldering would have been fine without the hurricane force winds, but it wasn't, and we always have smouldering fires left alone by LAFD once they get to that state.

by Alupis 1y ago

jostmey 1y ago

A small bush fire is not supposed to cause 60 billion in damage. Also, innocent until proven guilty. The evidence against the guy seems weak… like generating images on ChatGPT

Alupis 1y ago
A significant amount of that damage was due to government policy, or rather failures of government policy. Fire hydrants literally went dry in the middle of firefighting. Fire Departments were critically understaffed, and were using critically outdated dispatching systems that didn't share information or communication effectively. The fire was started by arson, and it ravaged the city due to government failures.

yieldcrv 1y ago

Arson and the heavy and warm Santa Ana winds which is climate related LA was experience hurricane force 80 mph winds, which were its own issue LA always has small smoldering fires from arson and other sources With that baseline then it’s still climate related, leaving us to evaluate if that particular weather event was part of any change or has its own prior frequency and intensity. It also reveals how vulnerable the area is to climate change either way

Alupis 1y ago
FTA: > Los Angeles fire officials, already under scrutiny for their failure to pre-deploy engines to the Palisades fire, are now facing questions about why they didn’t fully extinguish the flames from the initial fire before hurricane-force winds blew into the area and fanned an ember buried within the roots of dense vegetation. Multiple, stacking governmental failures are to blame for the breadth of destruction here. [1] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-10-08/palisades-fire-arrest https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-10-08/palisade...
- yieldcrv 1y ago
  Yes, and my main point that LA always has multiple not fully extinguished flames Highlighting the vulnerability to climate change Right now, that’s just government officials trying to cover their ass with finger pointing in the face of standard operating procedure, either way incompetence needs to be rooted out and the procedure needs to be changed, recognizing the changing climate environment
  - Alupis 1y ago
    Again, FTA: > A Times investigation found that LAFD officials did not pre-deploy any engines to the Palisades ahead of the Jan. 7 fire, despite warnings about extreme weather. In preparing for the winds, the department staffed up only five of more than 40 engines available to supplement the regular firefighting force. > Those engines could have been pre-positioned in the Palisades and elsewhere, as had been done in the past during similar weather. This was governmental failure at large. Not climate change. Extreme weather happens, and we (citizens) expect our government to prepare accordingly. It's literally their job to prepare for this sort of catastrophe. > Right now, that’s just government officials trying to cover their ass with finger pointing You are right - with finger pointing at climate change, throwing their hands up in the air while saying "what are you gonna do, it's extreme weather!". The weather was predictable and was predicted - and the government failed to plan accordingly. The government systematically underfunded, under-trained, and under utilized it's emergency resources. There's very little excuse here.
    - yieldcrv 1y ago
      I'm very familiar with the post-mortem, most of this was available since March Since you like to quote things that are unrelated to the prior things you quoted, let's continue listing them: The reservoir for the palisades wasn't filled due to a different form of incompetence, so even if the firefighters were there they would run out of water The pump system in the palisades didn't have enough pressure for large scale use, multiple fire hydrants would have resulted in the same lack of water Now let's go back to what was mentioned earlier, and the thing we actually agree on, the standard operating procedure needs to change - and here is where we disagree: with urgency due to the likelihood of weather events. This whole thread I specifically avoided saying "its due to climate change" selecting words to avoid your deflections, and yet your whole identity is based on making sure nobody even discusses the possibility it might be. There are also smouldering fires in LA quite often. The way LAFD deals with them needs to change.... due to the likelihood of weather events. The palisades fire smouldering would have been fine without the hurricane force winds, but it wasn't, and we always have smouldering fires left alone by LAFD once they get to that state.