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I would love to read the essay that proves the word "bricked" has a highly specific technical meaning that excludes recoverable failure.

akerl_ 1y ago
The entire premise is that you’ve turned the device into a brick. If the failure is recoverable, it’s not a brick.
- ponector 1y ago
  Hard to imagine unrecoverable device. Maybe physically melting it into the brick will do the job. In any other case it is recoverable: you can replace whole memory with a bootloader, other corrupted modules and recover device.
  - akerl_ 1y ago
    I think this may have more to do with a combination of insufficient imagination and fault-tolerant manufacturing. There are plenty of devices that can be rendered inoperable via non-physical destruction. There used to be more of them, but manufacturers try to make it impossible because it’s a support nightmare.
  - BobaFloutist 1y ago
    I think of it as generally meaning "unrecoverable for the current owner" or "unrecoverable for the average consumer", not "even the manufacturer, with hardware access, couldn't find a way to factory reset this."
- getnormality 1y ago
  It's also not literally a brick, regardless of future functionality. The ability to metaphorically compare it to a brick doesn't seem to hinge critically on whether the metaphorical brick is a permanent metaphorical brick or a temporary metaphorical brick.
  - akerl_ 1y ago
    Sure. I’m not going to nitpick exactly how long or how severely something has been rendered inoperable. If somebody wants to refer to their phone as a brick because they’re camping and forgot the charger, that doesn’t bother me. I’m just pushing back on the idea that “bricked” is some random word with no meaning whatsoever.
    - seanw444 1y ago
      This is truly one of the most HNey threads I've read in a minute.
- nickthegreek 1y ago
  we have a saying for that, soft brick.
- geor9e 1y ago
  That wording manages to avoid answering the question entirely. It just shifted the ambiguity from defining the word “brick” to defining the word “recoverable”. Recoverable by your grandmother with dementia, before the next Matlock episode airs? Recoverable by one person on Earth for whom unbricking this one thing is their special interest? Recoverable by a hypothetical future technotopian society that we predict will be capable of vaporizing atoms and rearranging them into any desired form? Do you draw a hard line in the sand for everyone to share one definition? Or is it entirely subjective, a tautology, a self-fulfilling prophecy - meaning anyone’s feeling of brickiness and recoverability is valid by definition?
kazinator 1y ago
If you can desolder and replace a few ball grid array ICs and then get Linux running on it, it was never True Scotsman's fired clay brick bricked. It was only Lego brick bricked.

akerl_ 1y ago

The entire premise is that you’ve turned the device into a brick. If the failure is recoverable, it’s not a brick.

ponector 1y ago
Hard to imagine unrecoverable device. Maybe physically melting it into the brick will do the job. In any other case it is recoverable: you can replace whole memory with a bootloader, other corrupted modules and recover device.
- akerl_ 1y ago
  I think this may have more to do with a combination of insufficient imagination and fault-tolerant manufacturing. There are plenty of devices that can be rendered inoperable via non-physical destruction. There used to be more of them, but manufacturers try to make it impossible because it’s a support nightmare.
- BobaFloutist 1y ago
  I think of it as generally meaning "unrecoverable for the current owner" or "unrecoverable for the average consumer", not "even the manufacturer, with hardware access, couldn't find a way to factory reset this."
getnormality 1y ago
It's also not literally a brick, regardless of future functionality. The ability to metaphorically compare it to a brick doesn't seem to hinge critically on whether the metaphorical brick is a permanent metaphorical brick or a temporary metaphorical brick.
- akerl_ 1y ago
  Sure. I’m not going to nitpick exactly how long or how severely something has been rendered inoperable. If somebody wants to refer to their phone as a brick because they’re camping and forgot the charger, that doesn’t bother me. I’m just pushing back on the idea that “bricked” is some random word with no meaning whatsoever.
  - seanw444 1y ago
    This is truly one of the most HNey threads I've read in a minute.
nickthegreek 1y ago
we have a saying for that, soft brick.
geor9e 1y ago
That wording manages to avoid answering the question entirely. It just shifted the ambiguity from defining the word “brick” to defining the word “recoverable”. Recoverable by your grandmother with dementia, before the next Matlock episode airs? Recoverable by one person on Earth for whom unbricking this one thing is their special interest? Recoverable by a hypothetical future technotopian society that we predict will be capable of vaporizing atoms and rearranging them into any desired form? Do you draw a hard line in the sand for everyone to share one definition? Or is it entirely subjective, a tautology, a self-fulfilling prophecy - meaning anyone’s feeling of brickiness and recoverability is valid by definition?

kazinator 1y ago

If you can desolder and replace a few ball grid array ICs and then get Linux running on it, it was never True Scotsman's fired clay brick bricked. It was only Lego brick bricked.