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And Windows itself still costs money somehow, despite clearly acting as a free product.

vee-kay 1y ago
Windows 10 was indeed offered free worldwide to users already using older licenced versions of Windows. Microsoft even touted Windows 10 as last version of Windows. But it was typical bait-and-switch gambit by Micro$oft, and support for Windows 10 is ending in Oct 2025 (rejecting the pleas from thousands of companies worldwide to extend its Win10 support for longer while), because M$ thinks everyone will migrate to Windows 11 (not free). However, many Win10 users will remain on Win10 for years (just as they had stuck around with Win7/Win8 for years), and many will migrate to Linux or MacOS instead. Microsoft will out find the hard way that people can be as stubborn as it can be.
- eptcyka 1y ago
  Microsoft will learn nothing they didn’t know before. They’ve operated like this before, and their bottom line will not suffer.
- skeeter2020 1y ago
  W10 is actually still the majority of windows versions. You can get 1 year extended support by switching to an online admin login & syncing to ONeDrive or buying it (with $ or MS points - whatever that is) and businesses can by 3 x1 year of escalating priced support. Support for win10 ends on Tuesday (oct 14)! I know all this because my desktop that can easily run triple-A video games isn't good enough (secure boot) to be upgraded, so I'm supposed to buy a MS surface and use it as a boat anchor I guess...
  - vee-kay 1y ago
    Then you'll be glad to know that you can bypass the TPM2.0 (Secure Boot) check that Win11 installation requires. https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-requirement https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-re... https://gist.github.com/asheroto/5087d2a38b311b0c92be2a4f23f92d3e https://gist.github.com/asheroto/5087d2a38b311b0c92be2a4f23f... So you can upgrade to Win11 even on an older PC. No need to pay through the nose for extended Win10 Support. But in my personal experience, Win10 runs better on older PCs than Win11. I also prefer the Win1o0 start menu, to the Win11 one.
    - a022311 1y ago
      Yeah you can run Windows 11 on most Windows 10 machines, but in exchange for "better security" you get a bloated interface that just bogs down your perfectly fine computer. Windows as a platform has so many security holes that I think the chances of getting pwned by a very specific Windows 10-only exploit are realistically zero.
- toast0 1y ago
  > because M$ thinks everyone will migrate to Windows 11 (not free). Pretty sure upgrade to Windows 11 is free for Windows 10 licenses, too. If you need a new computer, sure, most people have a license tied to their computer, and they'll need a new license for that.

Windows 10 was indeed offered free worldwide to users already using older licenced versions of Windows. Microsoft even touted Windows 10 as last version of Windows. But it was typical bait-and-switch gambit by Micro$oft, and support for Windows 10 is ending in Oct 2025 (rejecting the pleas from thousands of companies worldwide to extend its Win10 support for longer while), because M$ thinks everyone will migrate to Windows 11 (not free). However, many Win10 users will remain on Win10 for years (just as they had stuck around with Win7/Win8 for years), and many will migrate to Linux or MacOS instead. Microsoft will out find the hard way that people can be as stubborn as it can be.

eptcyka 1y ago
Microsoft will learn nothing they didn’t know before. They’ve operated like this before, and their bottom line will not suffer.
skeeter2020 1y ago
W10 is actually still the majority of windows versions. You can get 1 year extended support by switching to an online admin login & syncing to ONeDrive or buying it (with $ or MS points - whatever that is) and businesses can by 3 x1 year of escalating priced support. Support for win10 ends on Tuesday (oct 14)! I know all this because my desktop that can easily run triple-A video games isn't good enough (secure boot) to be upgraded, so I'm supposed to buy a MS surface and use it as a boat anchor I guess...
- vee-kay 1y ago
  Then you'll be glad to know that you can bypass the TPM2.0 (Secure Boot) check that Win11 installation requires. https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-requirement https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-re... https://gist.github.com/asheroto/5087d2a38b311b0c92be2a4f23f92d3e https://gist.github.com/asheroto/5087d2a38b311b0c92be2a4f23f... So you can upgrade to Win11 even on an older PC. No need to pay through the nose for extended Win10 Support. But in my personal experience, Win10 runs better on older PCs than Win11. I also prefer the Win1o0 start menu, to the Win11 one.
  - a022311 1y ago
    Yeah you can run Windows 11 on most Windows 10 machines, but in exchange for "better security" you get a bloated interface that just bogs down your perfectly fine computer. Windows as a platform has so many security holes that I think the chances of getting pwned by a very specific Windows 10-only exploit are realistically zero.
toast0 1y ago
> because M$ thinks everyone will migrate to Windows 11 (not free). Pretty sure upgrade to Windows 11 is free for Windows 10 licenses, too. If you need a new computer, sure, most people have a license tied to their computer, and they'll need a new license for that.