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I wish Flash would have died sooner. It was a plague on the web, you couldn't zoom, select text, go back, just a black box ignoring everything about your web b

I wish Flash would have died sooner. It was a plague on the web, you couldn't zoom, select text, go back, just a black box ignoring everything about your web browser. Killing it was probably the best thing Jobs ever did.

acheron 1y ago
This. Flash was awful. I see people defending it and I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.
- big_toast 1y ago
  I dunno, a whole subtree of the internet died and I’m not sure it really came back. It was a beautiful Galápagos Islands.
- sarchertech 1y ago
  For the most part, people are talking about games and animation, not text based websites.
- acidburnNSA 1y ago
  Did you ever try one of those Flash-based room escape games? It was really amazing to lose yourself in the challenges and puzzles.
- 9x39 1y ago
  It was both awful when it showed up in the enterprise and amazing at unleashing creativity for many. Most young non-technical people I knew during its rise had regularly made Flash creations or even games, and deeply enjoyed the Cambrian explosion of games and animations for a few years.
- morshu9001 1y ago
  It was really meant for animation and games but got misused as a web GUI tool. I think it would've been fine to allow it anyway, and anyone who wants to build a GUI can just not use Flash.
Minor49er 1y ago
Flash players had zoom built in. And I believe there were textareas that allowed people to copy and paste text if they wanted, though it wasn't very common Flash was the last thing that got people excited for the Web generally
- spartanatreyu 1y ago
  > Flash players had zoom built in The zoom was limited to the frame that the flash player sat in, so you'd end up with different parts of the website at different zoom levels. Also flash wasn't responsive and couldn't flow like real website content can. > Flash was the last thing that got people excited for the Web generally That's only because all the capabilities were new, now they're built into the web itself. See: - https://ciechanow.ski/airfoil/ https://ciechanow.ski/airfoil/ - https://slowroads.io/ https://slowroads.io/ - https://photopea.com https://photopea.com - https://superspl.at/view?id=1eacd61c https://superspl.at/view?id=1eacd61c - https://itch.io/games/platform-web https://itch.io/games/platform-web - https://alche.studio/ https://alche.studio/ - https://ruinergame.com/ https://ruinergame.com/ (scroll down) - etc...
ethbr1 1y ago
Flash was the original web Excel (also Lotus 1-2-3) -- a simultaneous design + data + programming tool. These are terrible for maintainability, but excellent for usability. On the whole, I'd say it was easily a loss for the greater web that web programming left the citizen-programmer behind. (By requiring them all to turn into hamfisted front-end javascript programmers...) Many of the centralized evils of the current web might have been avoided if there had remained an onramp for the neophyte to really create for the web. I.e. Facebook et al. might have instead been replaced by a hosted, better-indexed Macromedia create + edit + host platform Or the amount of shit code produced by inexperienced front-end devs throwing spaghetti at IE might have been reduced
pjmlp 1y ago
Thankfully now we have WebAssembly/WebGL/WebGPU for that.

acheron 1y ago

This. Flash was awful. I see people defending it and I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

big_toast 1y ago
I dunno, a whole subtree of the internet died and I’m not sure it really came back. It was a beautiful Galápagos Islands.
sarchertech 1y ago
For the most part, people are talking about games and animation, not text based websites.
acidburnNSA 1y ago
Did you ever try one of those Flash-based room escape games? It was really amazing to lose yourself in the challenges and puzzles.
9x39 1y ago
It was both awful when it showed up in the enterprise and amazing at unleashing creativity for many. Most young non-technical people I knew during its rise had regularly made Flash creations or even games, and deeply enjoyed the Cambrian explosion of games and animations for a few years.
morshu9001 1y ago
It was really meant for animation and games but got misused as a web GUI tool. I think it would've been fine to allow it anyway, and anyone who wants to build a GUI can just not use Flash.

Minor49er 1y ago

Flash players had zoom built in. And I believe there were textareas that allowed people to copy and paste text if they wanted, though it wasn't very common Flash was the last thing that got people excited for the Web generally

spartanatreyu 1y ago
> Flash players had zoom built in The zoom was limited to the frame that the flash player sat in, so you'd end up with different parts of the website at different zoom levels. Also flash wasn't responsive and couldn't flow like real website content can. > Flash was the last thing that got people excited for the Web generally That's only because all the capabilities were new, now they're built into the web itself. See: - https://ciechanow.ski/airfoil/ https://ciechanow.ski/airfoil/ - https://slowroads.io/ https://slowroads.io/ - https://photopea.com https://photopea.com - https://superspl.at/view?id=1eacd61c https://superspl.at/view?id=1eacd61c - https://itch.io/games/platform-web https://itch.io/games/platform-web - https://alche.studio/ https://alche.studio/ - https://ruinergame.com/ https://ruinergame.com/ (scroll down) - etc...

ethbr1 1y ago

Flash was the original web Excel (also Lotus 1-2-3) -- a simultaneous design + data + programming tool. These are terrible for maintainability, but excellent for usability. On the whole, I'd say it was easily a loss for the greater web that web programming left the citizen-programmer behind. (By requiring them all to turn into hamfisted front-end javascript programmers...) Many of the centralized evils of the current web might have been avoided if there had remained an onramp for the neophyte to really create for the web. I.e. Facebook et al. might have instead been replaced by a hosted, better-indexed Macromedia create + edit + host platform Or the amount of shit code produced by inexperienced front-end devs throwing spaghetti at IE might have been reduced

pjmlp 1y ago

Thankfully now we have WebAssembly/WebGL/WebGPU for that.