3 ms·

I‘m a little confused. I thought sex != gender and this issue is about the sex field which means the biological sex, or am I wrong?

by croes 1y ago

defrost 1y ago
If it's "nearest biological sex at birth, or best guess made at that time (even if in error)" then that may have little to do with identifying a human thirty years later. Which, as others have pointed out, makes it a field of dubious utility on a document intended for unique identification.
- grafmax 1y ago
  For example guevedoces assigned female at birth but who develop external male genitalia during puberty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%CE%B1-Reductase_2_deficiency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%CE%B1-Reductase_2_deficiency
shevy-java 1y ago
Well, biological sex is not well-defined. See Ullrich Turner syndrome and similar genetic differences. It does not affect that many but it still affects them. Technically with X0 they would be female (since they have no Y-chromosome) but are they really female? Same rationale for other such genetic conditions. This here has more to do with Trump pushing down a certain agenda. They also only focus on what they conveniently look as a "problem" while ignoring every other situation, such as genetic conditions.
viraptor 1y ago
> I thought sex != gender Correct. > sex field which means the biological sex The idea that there's a binary "biological sex" is also wrong. There are many choices for what you can mean by that and for every one there will be outliers that classify as both/neither. (the points bounce up and down, but - feel free to post the specific criteria that you think avoid this issue instead)
tpm 1y ago
It's about a passport field than can represent anything the issuing country wishes. So for example a traveller that has the value of this field changed according to a German law [0] to anything different than M or F (most probably other values will be represented with an X) will be denied entry to the US. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesetz_%C3%BCber_die_Selbstbestimmung_in_Bezug_auf_den_Geschlechtseintrag https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesetz_%C3%BCber_die_Selbstbes...
seethedeaduu 1y ago
Trans people change their biological sex by transitioning.

I‘m a little confused. I thought sex != gender and this issue is about the sex field which means the biological sex, or am I wrong?

by croes 1y ago

I‘m a little confused. I thought sex != gender and this issue is about the sex field which means the biological sex, or am I wrong?

defrost 1y ago

If it's "nearest biological sex at birth, or best guess made at that time (even if in error)" then that may have little to do with identifying a human thirty years later. Which, as others have pointed out, makes it a field of dubious utility on a document intended for unique identification.

grafmax 1y ago
For example guevedoces assigned female at birth but who develop external male genitalia during puberty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%CE%B1-Reductase_2_deficiency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%CE%B1-Reductase_2_deficiency

shevy-java 1y ago

Well, biological sex is not well-defined. See Ullrich Turner syndrome and similar genetic differences. It does not affect that many but it still affects them. Technically with X0 they would be female (since they have no Y-chromosome) but are they really female? Same rationale for other such genetic conditions. This here has more to do with Trump pushing down a certain agenda. They also only focus on what they conveniently look as a "problem" while ignoring every other situation, such as genetic conditions.

viraptor 1y ago

> I thought sex != gender Correct. > sex field which means the biological sex The idea that there's a binary "biological sex" is also wrong. There are many choices for what you can mean by that and for every one there will be outliers that classify as both/neither. (the points bounce up and down, but - feel free to post the specific criteria that you think avoid this issue instead)

tpm 1y ago

It's about a passport field than can represent anything the issuing country wishes. So for example a traveller that has the value of this field changed according to a German law [0] to anything different than M or F (most probably other values will be represented with an X) will be denied entry to the US. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesetz_%C3%BCber_die_Selbstbestimmung_in_Bezug_auf_den_Geschlechtseintrag https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesetz_%C3%BCber_die_Selbstbes...

seethedeaduu 1y ago

Trans people change their biological sex by transitioning.