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I would be happy if any of the big phone makers will starting adopting LineageOS or GrapheneOS as the main operating system for some of their models. Or just l

I would be happy if any of the big phone makers will starting adopting LineageOS or GrapheneOS as the main operating system for some of their models. Or just leave the possibility of easy unlock the phone and publish sources.

edent 1y ago
BQ tried that with Cyanogen (the precursor to Lineage) https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/bq-aquaris-x5 https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/bq-aquaris-x5 As did WileyFox - https://www.xda-developers.com/wileyfox-to-issue-update-to-migrate-away-from-cyanogenos/ https://www.xda-developers.com/wileyfox-to-issue-update-to-m... They were both budget brands with niche offerings. For most people, the source of the OS is immaterial. There's very little competitive advantage to selling a forked OS, and a rather large downside in terms of support costs. I'm mostly happy with my GrapheneOS device - but it is absolutely not suitable for mass market.
- jsheard 1y ago
  OnePlus also shipped Cyanogen in their early days. They're still around, but they've long since pivoted to their own proprietary Android distro.
  - thaumasiotes 1y ago
    Given that Cyanogenmod was discontinued shortly after the OnePlus One released, it's hard to blame them.
- drnick1 1y ago
  > I'm mostly happy with my GrapheneOS device - but it is absolutely not suitable for mass market. What makes you say that? I run GrapheneOS on a Pixel and had to go through the relative simple flashing process, but if GOS came preinstalled on a device anybody familiar with Android (or even iOS) would be able to use it. Compatibility with Android apps is great too.
  - edent 1y ago
    Off the top of my head: Lots of banking apps don't work. RCS has only just started working. No "Find My Device" support. Permissions model is difficult to understand - even I struggle with it. Standard launcher has tiny icons which can't be adjusted. Pop on to https://discuss.grapheneos.org/ https://discuss.grapheneos.org/ and see the struggles which users have.
    - shim__ 1y ago
      > No "Find My Device" support. I don't have any issues with it
    - mbananasynergy 1y ago
      What is the issue with the permission model. It's basically the AOSP permission model. The changes made by GrapheneOS is the user-facing toggle for the INTERNET permission, and the sensors permission. If people do not want to interface with those features, they can simply skip them, and the permission model will be the exact same as it is on Android.
    - drnick1 1y ago
      > No "Find My Device" support. "Find My Device" means the location of your device is constantly sent to and stored on someone else's computer (the "cloud"), and it is something that shouldn't exist unless that someone else's computer happens to be yours.
      - izacus 1y ago
        You ordering the rest of the world which features should exist isn't how anything works.
        drnick1 1y ago
        I am not ordering anything. I was merely explaining that "Find My Phone" is not a feature -- it is an anti-feature that enables surveillance by a third party. The lack of such an anti-feature should be viewed as an advantage of Graphene, rather than a disadvantage.
- anthk 1y ago
  I had that phone, too bad it died.
strcat 1y ago
GrapheneOS is partnered with a major Android OEM and working towards some of their future devices meeting our requirements and providing official GrapheneOS support. It won't be the main operating system, but it will be an officially supported option. Their current devices don't meet our requirements, but they're working towards meeting those for future devices.

edent 1y ago

BQ tried that with Cyanogen (the precursor to Lineage) https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/bq-aquaris-x5 https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/bq-aquaris-x5 As did WileyFox - https://www.xda-developers.com/wileyfox-to-issue-update-to-migrate-away-from-cyanogenos/ https://www.xda-developers.com/wileyfox-to-issue-update-to-m... They were both budget brands with niche offerings. For most people, the source of the OS is immaterial. There's very little competitive advantage to selling a forked OS, and a rather large downside in terms of support costs. I'm mostly happy with my GrapheneOS device - but it is absolutely not suitable for mass market.

jsheard 1y ago
OnePlus also shipped Cyanogen in their early days. They're still around, but they've long since pivoted to their own proprietary Android distro.
- thaumasiotes 1y ago
  Given that Cyanogenmod was discontinued shortly after the OnePlus One released, it's hard to blame them.
drnick1 1y ago
> I'm mostly happy with my GrapheneOS device - but it is absolutely not suitable for mass market. What makes you say that? I run GrapheneOS on a Pixel and had to go through the relative simple flashing process, but if GOS came preinstalled on a device anybody familiar with Android (or even iOS) would be able to use it. Compatibility with Android apps is great too.
- edent 1y ago
  Off the top of my head: Lots of banking apps don't work. RCS has only just started working. No "Find My Device" support. Permissions model is difficult to understand - even I struggle with it. Standard launcher has tiny icons which can't be adjusted. Pop on to https://discuss.grapheneos.org/ https://discuss.grapheneos.org/ and see the struggles which users have.
  - shim__ 1y ago
    > No "Find My Device" support. I don't have any issues with it
  - mbananasynergy 1y ago
    What is the issue with the permission model. It's basically the AOSP permission model. The changes made by GrapheneOS is the user-facing toggle for the INTERNET permission, and the sensors permission. If people do not want to interface with those features, they can simply skip them, and the permission model will be the exact same as it is on Android.
  - drnick1 1y ago
    > No "Find My Device" support. "Find My Device" means the location of your device is constantly sent to and stored on someone else's computer (the "cloud"), and it is something that shouldn't exist unless that someone else's computer happens to be yours.
    - izacus 1y ago
      You ordering the rest of the world which features should exist isn't how anything works.
      - drnick1 1y ago
        I am not ordering anything. I was merely explaining that "Find My Phone" is not a feature -- it is an anti-feature that enables surveillance by a third party. The lack of such an anti-feature should be viewed as an advantage of Graphene, rather than a disadvantage.
anthk 1y ago
I had that phone, too bad it died.

strcat 1y ago

GrapheneOS is partnered with a major Android OEM and working towards some of their future devices meeting our requirements and providing official GrapheneOS support. It won't be the main operating system, but it will be an officially supported option. Their current devices don't meet our requirements, but they're working towards meeting those for future devices.