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Yes it is very bad to call your countrymen "cockroaches" even if they're criminals and you really don't like them. It's especially bad to do so atop a gargantua

Yes it is very bad to call your countrymen "cockroaches" even if they're criminals and you really don't like them. It's especially bad to do so atop a gargantuan media organization that looks to you for moral and political guidance.

nailer 1y ago
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- estearum 1y ago
  We use names for things to categorize them. We categorize things to inform how to treat them. I think we should treat criminals differently from how we treat cockroaches, so we should use different names for them. There's only one functional reason to refer to humans as cockroaches which is to dehumanize them. Dehumanizing humans is bad.
  - nailer 1y ago
    It’s a moral imperative to call out evil. It’s a gross inversion to pretend otherwise.
    - estearum 1y ago
      Are cockroaches (the insect) evil?
      - nailer 1y ago
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        tastyface 1y ago
        The core of Christian theology is that all humans are sinners, yet capable of change and salvation. Dehumanizing criminals by calling them vermin is about as antithetical to Christianity as you can get. It is the language of hatred and fear, not humanistic love. A Christian who calls his fellow humans cockroaches is wearing religion like a shirt.
        nailer 1y ago
        What’s the first commandment again? I’m pretty sure murder and calls to murder are about as antithetical to Christianity as you can get.
        estearum 1y ago
        What on earth are you talking about? Is this some word-association game where you’re finding your way back to people celebrating Kirk’s murder?
        nailer 1y ago
        I’m stating you’re concerned with trivial matters.
        estearum 1y ago
        I've re-read the thread a couple times now and frankly it seems like there's a piece of the puzzle you're not sharing with me. "Criminals are cockroaches because they're evil" makes literally no sense. Even if one accepts that anyone who commits a crime is de facto evil (very silly), cockroaches obviously aren't evil! The non-sequitur about trivial vs non-trivial problems is just that: a non-sequitur. Is it just that you're okay with exterminating certain types of people (like they're cockroaches), therefore it makes sense to call them cockroaches? You should just say it so we can stop this very strange word association game.
    - tastyface 1y ago
      OK. Your call to dehumanization is evil.
      - nailer 1y ago
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        estearum 1y ago
        Who is proposing not policing crime?
        nailer 1y ago
        Tastyface. See earlier in the thread.
        estearum 1y ago
        I see no such argument.
        tomhow 1y ago
        Please quit it with these one-dimensional ideologically-charged utterances. Your account has been becoming predictable and tiresome in its content and style, and this is not what HN is for, and destroys what it is for. The purpose and ethos of HN is for curious conversation. We're here to learn and educate, not club each other over the head incessantly with blunt ideological instruments. You've been here for a long time. We presume you started participating here because you appreciate and value what it aspires to be. We don't want to ban you, but we need you to have a think about how you can make a more positive contribution to HN, more consistent with the spirit of its purpose.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Why is it bad to call criminals cockroaches? It's dehumanizing [1]. > vast majority of crime is immoral The most immoral acts in human history, crimes against humanity, have followed campaigns of dehumanization. (The term cockroaches is also peculiarly linked to historical genocides. If Kirk wasn't aware of the reference he was making, he was almost certainly citing someone who was.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization
  - nailer 1y ago
    Wikipedia isn’t a reference. Also you missed this earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45553429 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45553429
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > Wikipedia isn’t a reference I just referenced it, so it literally is. The wild thing about this thread is I’ve gone from being gently supportive of Charlie Kirk vigilers to sort of concluding they’re just cover for extremism.
      - nailer 1y ago
        No. Wikipedia themselves say not to cite Wikipedia, because Wikipedia is a wiki.

nailer 1y ago

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estearum 1y ago
We use names for things to categorize them. We categorize things to inform how to treat them. I think we should treat criminals differently from how we treat cockroaches, so we should use different names for them. There's only one functional reason to refer to humans as cockroaches which is to dehumanize them. Dehumanizing humans is bad.
- nailer 1y ago
  It’s a moral imperative to call out evil. It’s a gross inversion to pretend otherwise.
  - estearum 1y ago
    Are cockroaches (the insect) evil?
    - nailer 1y ago
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      - tastyface 1y ago
        The core of Christian theology is that all humans are sinners, yet capable of change and salvation. Dehumanizing criminals by calling them vermin is about as antithetical to Christianity as you can get. It is the language of hatred and fear, not humanistic love. A Christian who calls his fellow humans cockroaches is wearing religion like a shirt.
        nailer 1y ago
        What’s the first commandment again? I’m pretty sure murder and calls to murder are about as antithetical to Christianity as you can get.
        estearum 1y ago
        What on earth are you talking about? Is this some word-association game where you’re finding your way back to people celebrating Kirk’s murder?
        nailer 1y ago
        I’m stating you’re concerned with trivial matters.
        estearum 1y ago
        I've re-read the thread a couple times now and frankly it seems like there's a piece of the puzzle you're not sharing with me. "Criminals are cockroaches because they're evil" makes literally no sense. Even if one accepts that anyone who commits a crime is de facto evil (very silly), cockroaches obviously aren't evil! The non-sequitur about trivial vs non-trivial problems is just that: a non-sequitur. Is it just that you're okay with exterminating certain types of people (like they're cockroaches), therefore it makes sense to call them cockroaches? You should just say it so we can stop this very strange word association game.
  - tastyface 1y ago
    OK. Your call to dehumanization is evil.
    - nailer 1y ago
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      - estearum 1y ago
        Who is proposing not policing crime?
        nailer 1y ago
        Tastyface. See earlier in the thread.
        estearum 1y ago
        I see no such argument.
      - tomhow 1y ago
        Please quit it with these one-dimensional ideologically-charged utterances. Your account has been becoming predictable and tiresome in its content and style, and this is not what HN is for, and destroys what it is for. The purpose and ethos of HN is for curious conversation. We're here to learn and educate, not club each other over the head incessantly with blunt ideological instruments. You've been here for a long time. We presume you started participating here because you appreciate and value what it aspires to be. We don't want to ban you, but we need you to have a think about how you can make a more positive contribution to HN, more consistent with the spirit of its purpose.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Why is it bad to call criminals cockroaches? It's dehumanizing [1]. > vast majority of crime is immoral The most immoral acts in human history, crimes against humanity, have followed campaigns of dehumanization. (The term cockroaches is also peculiarly linked to historical genocides. If Kirk wasn't aware of the reference he was making, he was almost certainly citing someone who was.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization
- nailer 1y ago
  Wikipedia isn’t a reference. Also you missed this earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45553429 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45553429
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Wikipedia isn’t a reference I just referenced it, so it literally is. The wild thing about this thread is I’ve gone from being gently supportive of Charlie Kirk vigilers to sort of concluding they’re just cover for extremism.
    - nailer 1y ago
      No. Wikipedia themselves say not to cite Wikipedia, because Wikipedia is a wiki.