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Microsoft in the past few years has totally lost it's mind, it's ruining nearly everything it touches and I can't understand why

mixmastamyk 1y ago
Money and power. Who was the first BigTech co on the Prism slides? Who muscled out competitors in the 90s?
Spooky23 1y ago
They never changed. For some reason Satya became CEO and nerds fawned over the “new Microsoft” for whatever reason. They are a hard nosed company focused with precision on dominance for themselves.
- uep 1y ago
  Do we even think that was real? I think social media has been astroturfed for a long time now. If enough people make those claims, it starts to feel true even without evidence to support it. Did they ever open source anything that really make you think "wow"? The best I could see was them "embracing" Linux, but embrace, extend, extinguish was always a core part of their strategy.
- charles_f 1y ago
  Insider here, in m365 though not onedrive. It did change, but not because of satya ; because of rules and legislation and bad press. Privacy and security are taken very seriously (at least by people who care to follow internal rules) not because "we're nice", but because - EU governments keep auditing us, so we gotta stay on our toes, do things by the book, and be auditable - it's bad press when we get caught doing garbage like that. And bad press is bad for business In my org, doing anything with customer's data that isn't directly bringing them value is theoretically not possible. You can't deliver anything that isn't approved by privacy. Don't forget that this is a very big company. It's composed of people who actually care and want to do the right thing, people who don't really care and just want to ship and would rather not be impeded by compliance processes, and people who are actually trying to bypass these processes because they'd sell your soul for a couple bucks if they could. For the little people like me, the official stance is that we should care about privacy very much. Our respect for privacy was one of the main reasons I'm still there. There has been a good period of time where the actual sentiment was "we're the good guys", especially when comparing to google and Facebook. A solid portion of that was that our revenue was driven by subscriptions rather than ads. I guess the appeal to take customer's money and exploit their data is too big. The kind of shit that will get me to leave.
  - thaumasiotes 1y ago
    > Our respect for privacy was one of the main reasons I'm still there. There has been a good period of time where the actual sentiment was "we're the good guys", especially when comparing to google and Facebook. A solid portion of that was that our revenue was driven by subscriptions rather than ads. How long has MS been putting ads in the start menu?
    - MYEUHD 1y ago
      10 years https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10393812 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10393812
    - odo1242 1y ago
      As he said, very heterogeneous company.
      - thaumasiotes 1y ago
        Sure, but "there has been a good period of time where..." is a statement that the situation introduced by where continues into the present. And that doesn't seem to be compatible with the facts.
    - vee-kay 1y ago
      I have a suspicion that Satya Nadella himself doesn't use Windows 11, otherwise he would have fired the team that messed up the Start Menu and he would have banned all ads from start menu and desktop. Even Bill Gates dumped the Windows Phone and switched to Android (he prefers the Samsung Galaxy Fold4) https://www.gearbrain.com/bill-gates-windows-phone-android-2489781559.html https://www.gearbrain.com/bill-gates-windows-phone-android-2...
  - traceroute66 1y ago
    > EU governments keep auditing us, so we gotta stay on our toes, do things by the book Erm, dude .... IANAL, and I am sure most people do not need to be lawyers to figure out that not allowing people to permanently opt-out of photo scanning is almost certainly going to be in contravention of every EU law in the book. I hope the EU take Microsoft to the cleaners over this one.
quitit 1y ago
This week I have received numerous reminders from Microsoft to renew my Skype credit.. Everything I see from that company is farcical. Massive security lapses, lazy AI features with huge privacy flaws, steamrolling OS updates that add no value whatsoever, and heavily relying on their old playbook of just buying anything that looks like it could disrupt them. P.S. The skype acquisition was $8.5B in 2011 (That's $12.24B in today's money.)
yuliyp 1y ago
I don't understand how this is losing their mind. Toggling this setting is expensive on the backend: opting in means "go and rescan all the photos". opting out means "delete all the scanned information for this user". As a user just make up your mind and set the setting. They let you opt in, they ley you opt out, they just don't want to let you trigger tons of work every minute.
- xigoi 1y ago
  If this was the case, they would leave it in the off state after you run out of toggles. The reality is that it will magically turn on every month.
- account42 1y ago
  I don't understand how you think repeating this nonsense excuse for an argument will achieve anything.
chanux 1y ago
There was a time with a strong sentiment of Satya Nadella making MS great again. Oh what time does to things!
BeetleB 1y ago
> Microsoft in the past few years has totally lost it's mind I don't know what this Microsoft thing is that you speak of. I only know a company called Copilot Prime.
p0w3n3d 1y ago
They are like shitty Midas, everything they touch, turns into pile of crap. However people stil buy their products. They think the turd is tasty, because billion of flies can't we wrong... Meanwhile Apple is applying different set of toxic patterns. Lack of interoperability with other OS, their apps try to store data mainly on iCloud, iPhone has no jack connector etc.
buyucu 1y ago
Microsoft wants money. Microsoft does not care about you.
1970-01-01 1y ago
CEO v3.0 Satya is the reason. He can't innovate, he can only play 'chase the leader'

mixmastamyk 1y ago

Money and power. Who was the first BigTech co on the Prism slides? Who muscled out competitors in the 90s?

Spooky23 1y ago

They never changed. For some reason Satya became CEO and nerds fawned over the “new Microsoft” for whatever reason. They are a hard nosed company focused with precision on dominance for themselves.

uep 1y ago
Do we even think that was real? I think social media has been astroturfed for a long time now. If enough people make those claims, it starts to feel true even without evidence to support it. Did they ever open source anything that really make you think "wow"? The best I could see was them "embracing" Linux, but embrace, extend, extinguish was always a core part of their strategy.
charles_f 1y ago
Insider here, in m365 though not onedrive. It did change, but not because of satya ; because of rules and legislation and bad press. Privacy and security are taken very seriously (at least by people who care to follow internal rules) not because "we're nice", but because - EU governments keep auditing us, so we gotta stay on our toes, do things by the book, and be auditable - it's bad press when we get caught doing garbage like that. And bad press is bad for business In my org, doing anything with customer's data that isn't directly bringing them value is theoretically not possible. You can't deliver anything that isn't approved by privacy. Don't forget that this is a very big company. It's composed of people who actually care and want to do the right thing, people who don't really care and just want to ship and would rather not be impeded by compliance processes, and people who are actually trying to bypass these processes because they'd sell your soul for a couple bucks if they could. For the little people like me, the official stance is that we should care about privacy very much. Our respect for privacy was one of the main reasons I'm still there. There has been a good period of time where the actual sentiment was "we're the good guys", especially when comparing to google and Facebook. A solid portion of that was that our revenue was driven by subscriptions rather than ads. I guess the appeal to take customer's money and exploit their data is too big. The kind of shit that will get me to leave.
- thaumasiotes 1y ago
  > Our respect for privacy was one of the main reasons I'm still there. There has been a good period of time where the actual sentiment was "we're the good guys", especially when comparing to google and Facebook. A solid portion of that was that our revenue was driven by subscriptions rather than ads. How long has MS been putting ads in the start menu?
  - MYEUHD 1y ago
    10 years https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10393812 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10393812
  - odo1242 1y ago
    As he said, very heterogeneous company.
    - thaumasiotes 1y ago
      Sure, but "there has been a good period of time where..." is a statement that the situation introduced by where continues into the present. And that doesn't seem to be compatible with the facts.
  - vee-kay 1y ago
    I have a suspicion that Satya Nadella himself doesn't use Windows 11, otherwise he would have fired the team that messed up the Start Menu and he would have banned all ads from start menu and desktop. Even Bill Gates dumped the Windows Phone and switched to Android (he prefers the Samsung Galaxy Fold4) https://www.gearbrain.com/bill-gates-windows-phone-android-2489781559.html https://www.gearbrain.com/bill-gates-windows-phone-android-2...
- traceroute66 1y ago
  > EU governments keep auditing us, so we gotta stay on our toes, do things by the book Erm, dude .... IANAL, and I am sure most people do not need to be lawyers to figure out that not allowing people to permanently opt-out of photo scanning is almost certainly going to be in contravention of every EU law in the book. I hope the EU take Microsoft to the cleaners over this one.

quitit 1y ago

This week I have received numerous reminders from Microsoft to renew my Skype credit.. Everything I see from that company is farcical. Massive security lapses, lazy AI features with huge privacy flaws, steamrolling OS updates that add no value whatsoever, and heavily relying on their old playbook of just buying anything that looks like it could disrupt them. P.S. The skype acquisition was $8.5B in 2011 (That's $12.24B in today's money.)

yuliyp 1y ago

I don't understand how this is losing their mind. Toggling this setting is expensive on the backend: opting in means "go and rescan all the photos". opting out means "delete all the scanned information for this user". As a user just make up your mind and set the setting. They let you opt in, they ley you opt out, they just don't want to let you trigger tons of work every minute.

xigoi 1y ago
If this was the case, they would leave it in the off state after you run out of toggles. The reality is that it will magically turn on every month.
account42 1y ago
I don't understand how you think repeating this nonsense excuse for an argument will achieve anything.

chanux 1y ago

There was a time with a strong sentiment of Satya Nadella making MS great again. Oh what time does to things!

BeetleB 1y ago

> Microsoft in the past few years has totally lost it's mind I don't know what this Microsoft thing is that you speak of. I only know a company called Copilot Prime.

p0w3n3d 1y ago

They are like shitty Midas, everything they touch, turns into pile of crap. However people stil buy their products. They think the turd is tasty, because billion of flies can't we wrong... Meanwhile Apple is applying different set of toxic patterns. Lack of interoperability with other OS, their apps try to store data mainly on iCloud, iPhone has no jack connector etc.

buyucu 1y ago

Microsoft wants money. Microsoft does not care about you.

1970-01-01 1y ago

CEO v3.0 Satya is the reason. He can't innovate, he can only play 'chase the leader'