That’s Zack Urlocker. He’s a real guy. I mean, not just a spokesmodel. I worked with him at Borland in the early 90’s. He stands out for me because he’s gracio

That’s Zack Urlocker. He’s a real guy. I mean, not just a spokesmodel. I worked with him at Borland in the early 90’s. He stands out for me because he’s gracious in debate. You don’t mind losing an argument to him.