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For every Daniel Kahneman case, there's a case where the victim doesn't give consent, is coerced, or pressured from caregivers. It always rapidly expands from t

For every Daniel Kahneman case, there's a case where the victim doesn't give consent, is coerced, or pressured from caregivers. It always rapidly expands from terminal illness to mental illness or non-terminal conditions. There's also weak oversight and misaligned profit motives. The examples in the Netherlands, Switzerland, Canada, and Oregon are shocking.

djaboss 1y ago
Please provide shocking examples, especially for Switzerland. I'm eager to learn about real arguments from the other side.
- willmadden 1y ago
  Netherlands: Aurelia Brouwers, 29, with depression and autism (non-terminal), euthanized in 2018; critics cite expansion to mental illness and potential coercion risks. Switzerland: 8% of assisted deaths involve mental disorders like severe depression; cases show weak oversight, allowing non-terminal approvals despite coercion concerns. Canada: 2022 Veterans Affairs cases: Caseworkers offered MAiD to 4+ veterans in poverty seeking benefits, indicating systemic coercion and cost-saving motives. Oregon: Kate Cheney, 85, with early dementia (mental/non-terminal elements), approved 1999 amid daughter pressure suspicions; evaluations noted influence but oversight permitted despite weak safeguards.
gield 1y ago
Can you please list some of those examples? You didn't mention Belgium so I'm pleased to hear that Belgium is doing well according to you (4000 cases of euthanasia per year of which 80 are for psychological suffering, 1 child per year).
- willmadden 1y ago
  Don't put words in my mouth. Disingenuous. Belgium: Tine Nys, 38, autism/depression (non-terminal), euthanized 2010; rushed procedure amid family presence, weak oversight, sisters allege undue pressure and unmet incurable criteria. Belgium: Frank Van Den Bleeken, prisoner with untreated psychiatric disorder, requested 2014; non-terminal suffering from inadequate care, systemic pressure via prison failures, oversight gaps. Belgium: Nathalie Huygens, 50s, trauma-induced mental illness, approved 2022; financial barriers to treatment raise coercion concerns, questions on incurability oversight.

djaboss 1y ago

Please provide shocking examples, especially for Switzerland. I'm eager to learn about real arguments from the other side.

willmadden 1y ago
Netherlands: Aurelia Brouwers, 29, with depression and autism (non-terminal), euthanized in 2018; critics cite expansion to mental illness and potential coercion risks. Switzerland: 8% of assisted deaths involve mental disorders like severe depression; cases show weak oversight, allowing non-terminal approvals despite coercion concerns. Canada: 2022 Veterans Affairs cases: Caseworkers offered MAiD to 4+ veterans in poverty seeking benefits, indicating systemic coercion and cost-saving motives. Oregon: Kate Cheney, 85, with early dementia (mental/non-terminal elements), approved 1999 amid daughter pressure suspicions; evaluations noted influence but oversight permitted despite weak safeguards.

gield 1y ago

Can you please list some of those examples? You didn't mention Belgium so I'm pleased to hear that Belgium is doing well according to you (4000 cases of euthanasia per year of which 80 are for psychological suffering, 1 child per year).

willmadden 1y ago
Don't put words in my mouth. Disingenuous. Belgium: Tine Nys, 38, autism/depression (non-terminal), euthanized 2010; rushed procedure amid family presence, weak oversight, sisters allege undue pressure and unmet incurable criteria. Belgium: Frank Van Den Bleeken, prisoner with untreated psychiatric disorder, requested 2014; non-terminal suffering from inadequate care, systemic pressure via prison failures, oversight gaps. Belgium: Nathalie Huygens, 50s, trauma-induced mental illness, approved 2022; financial barriers to treatment raise coercion concerns, questions on incurability oversight.