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I can't say I agree fully with the original video either but this is just blatantly trying to reframe the same facts presented in said video, but placing the bl

I can't say I agree fully with the original video either but this is just blatantly trying to reframe the same facts presented in said video, but placing the blame on consumers rather than businesses, which is a really dirty tactic. > Sysco serves poor quality products. They also serve great quality products. Remember, if restaurants are buying poor quality products, it’s because it’s all you, the consumer, will pay for. "feel bad about being poor" > Again, animal welfare is not a Sysco issue. Sysco offers countless sources for humanely-raised meat. And, as always, as a consumer, if you want to be really sure: stop eating meat, and tell everyone you know to do so as well. "feel bad about eating meat" > Ironically, the foods analyzed in the video as a sign of “quality” are fried pickles, jalapeño poppers, and funnel cake fries. These are inherently low-quality processed foods that no one in their right sobriety should be eating. "feel bad about food choices" > The More Perfect Union narrative stops just short of calling Sysco a monopoly. They’re not. They only control 35% of the market "only 35%" I mean, c'mon.. was this written by a real person or Adam Smith come back from the grave?

TimorousBestie 1y ago
> I mean, c'mon.. was this written by a real person or Adam Smith come back from the grave? It does smell a little AI-assisted.
- liface 1y ago
  I abhor AI, and did not use a single bit of it.
  - dj_mc_merlin 1y ago
    BTW, despite disagreeing with you on this topic, I read other parts of your blog and, as somebody else who experiences manic episodes, I actually more or less 100% agree with your "Core Beliefs" section. I've seen this before in other people I've met like me, but it does make me wonder about the nature of manic states and nature/nurture. Do these beliefs trigger individuals to enter manic states, or is predisposition to manic states something that makes individuals adopt this set of beliefs? The subtitle of your blog is "wired differently", but the weird part is many people are wired differently but in vastly similar ways.
    - liface 1y ago
      I think the two are uncorrelated. I don't think that most people prone to mania would agree with our beliefs. I think it has more to do with us posting on HackerNews thus being interested in similar topics.
      - dj_mc_merlin 1y ago
        Very well could be.
- esseph 1y ago
  From now until the death of humanity, someone is going to make this statement every day, about every post, until I just can't take it anyone and pass away from exhaustion.
gruez 1y ago
>"feel bad about being poor" Getting rid of Sysco isn't going to magically make them able to afford pricier options either. >"feel bad about eating meat" Feeling bad about eating meat feels bad, but if meat production is ethically and environmentally questionable why should we let the consumers off the hook? Should we let gas guzzling SUV drivers off the hook as well for their choices because it might make them feel bad? Better blame a faceless corporation instead so we can feel smug while not changing our lifestyles at all. After all, ExxonMobil could have theoretically synthesized carbon neutral gasoline, rather than pumping it out of the ground (never mind the cost), so the blame lies with them. >"only 35%" What's your preferred market share then?
- dj_mc_merlin 1y ago
  My point was that this is just the same tactic that corporations have been using for decades. For example, rather than fix systemic issues that cause them to dump mass amounts of greenhouse gases or toxic waste, they instead reframe the issue so that the consumer is at fault: "you don't recycle enough". This is the same, it's just reframing corporations cutting costs wherever they can as the fault of the consumer rather than just plain entshittification. For the record I agree with your point about eating meat and such, it's just not relevant to the discussion at hand and used just as a cheap appeal to emotion/shame.
  - gruez 1y ago
    >For example, rather than fix systemic issues that cause them to dump mass amounts of greenhouse gases or toxic waste, they instead reframe the issue so that the consumer is at fault: "you don't recycle enough". This is a strawman. Even before "recycling is a lie" entered into the zeitgeist a few years ago, approximately nobody thought people failing to recycle led to greenhouse gas or toxic waste, or that recycling was going to prevent those things. At best they did it out of some vague sense of "environment". If pressed they'll probably say something about landfill space or sea turtles, but I doubt they thought recycling was going to stop global warming, or clean up the polluted rivers in China/India. >This is the same, it's just reframing corporations cutting costs wherever they can as the fault of the consumer rather than just plain entshittification. To some extent it is the fault of the consumer. Restaurants are a competitive market with low barriers to entry. If consumers actually want unique local flavors an non-frozen foods, and are willing to pay a premium for it, sysco would have never gotten a foothold. Sure, cheap frozen food is objectively bad and you'd have a tough time finding someone who'd explicitly say "yes, I do want reheated frozen food at restaurants", but if people are willingly choosing it, then it's just demonstrating expressed preference vs revealed preference. The fact that mcdonalds serves cheap low quality food (compared to even something like olive garden) can't be blamed on "plain entshittification".

TimorousBestie 1y ago

> I mean, c'mon.. was this written by a real person or Adam Smith come back from the grave? It does smell a little AI-assisted.

liface 1y ago
I abhor AI, and did not use a single bit of it.
- dj_mc_merlin 1y ago
  BTW, despite disagreeing with you on this topic, I read other parts of your blog and, as somebody else who experiences manic episodes, I actually more or less 100% agree with your "Core Beliefs" section. I've seen this before in other people I've met like me, but it does make me wonder about the nature of manic states and nature/nurture. Do these beliefs trigger individuals to enter manic states, or is predisposition to manic states something that makes individuals adopt this set of beliefs? The subtitle of your blog is "wired differently", but the weird part is many people are wired differently but in vastly similar ways.
  - liface 1y ago
    I think the two are uncorrelated. I don't think that most people prone to mania would agree with our beliefs. I think it has more to do with us posting on HackerNews thus being interested in similar topics.
    - dj_mc_merlin 1y ago
      Very well could be.
esseph 1y ago
From now until the death of humanity, someone is going to make this statement every day, about every post, until I just can't take it anyone and pass away from exhaustion.

gruez 1y ago

>"feel bad about being poor" Getting rid of Sysco isn't going to magically make them able to afford pricier options either. >"feel bad about eating meat" Feeling bad about eating meat feels bad, but if meat production is ethically and environmentally questionable why should we let the consumers off the hook? Should we let gas guzzling SUV drivers off the hook as well for their choices because it might make them feel bad? Better blame a faceless corporation instead so we can feel smug while not changing our lifestyles at all. After all, ExxonMobil could have theoretically synthesized carbon neutral gasoline, rather than pumping it out of the ground (never mind the cost), so the blame lies with them. >"only 35%" What's your preferred market share then?

dj_mc_merlin 1y ago
My point was that this is just the same tactic that corporations have been using for decades. For example, rather than fix systemic issues that cause them to dump mass amounts of greenhouse gases or toxic waste, they instead reframe the issue so that the consumer is at fault: "you don't recycle enough". This is the same, it's just reframing corporations cutting costs wherever they can as the fault of the consumer rather than just plain entshittification. For the record I agree with your point about eating meat and such, it's just not relevant to the discussion at hand and used just as a cheap appeal to emotion/shame.
- gruez 1y ago
  >For example, rather than fix systemic issues that cause them to dump mass amounts of greenhouse gases or toxic waste, they instead reframe the issue so that the consumer is at fault: "you don't recycle enough". This is a strawman. Even before "recycling is a lie" entered into the zeitgeist a few years ago, approximately nobody thought people failing to recycle led to greenhouse gas or toxic waste, or that recycling was going to prevent those things. At best they did it out of some vague sense of "environment". If pressed they'll probably say something about landfill space or sea turtles, but I doubt they thought recycling was going to stop global warming, or clean up the polluted rivers in China/India. >This is the same, it's just reframing corporations cutting costs wherever they can as the fault of the consumer rather than just plain entshittification. To some extent it is the fault of the consumer. Restaurants are a competitive market with low barriers to entry. If consumers actually want unique local flavors an non-frozen foods, and are willing to pay a premium for it, sysco would have never gotten a foothold. Sure, cheap frozen food is objectively bad and you'd have a tough time finding someone who'd explicitly say "yes, I do want reheated frozen food at restaurants", but if people are willingly choosing it, then it's just demonstrating expressed preference vs revealed preference. The fact that mcdonalds serves cheap low quality food (compared to even something like olive garden) can't be blamed on "plain entshittification".