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A rugpull means taking back something that was given. Before Vite+, we maintain Vite, Rolldown, Oxc, all of which are open source and widely used. These remain

A rugpull means taking back something that was given. Before Vite+, we maintain Vite, Rolldown, Oxc, all of which are open source and widely used. These remain open source - nothing changes about existing projects. Vite+ is an entirely new product built on top of our own open source, with additional features that are entirely new. You don't need to use Vite+. You can keep using all the open source that we already provide. The revenue generated from Vite+ flows back into the development of both its proprietary features the underlying OSS. So if you are a user of our OSS, you'd benefit from Vite+ even if you don't use it, because it allows us to keep improving the OSS you are using.

yencabulator 1y ago
Vite is now open core, where whatever you think belongs in the commercial part is not welcome as open source. Rugpull means building a community around an open source project, and then trying to transfer that community to a non-open source product.
- EvanYou 1y ago
  Wrong - Vite is not open core, Vite+ is. This differentiation is important because even if a feature benefits Vite+, if it needs to be shipped via Vite then it has to be open source. Companies willing to pay for Vite+ help sustain and improve the open source parts powering it, including Vite. Even if you only use Vite and not Vite+, you’d benefit from the success of Vite+, not the other way around. I don’t really find anything inherently wrong with your definition of “rugpull”. If some people in the community are happy to pay for it and the rest also benefit because of it, that’s a win-win in my book.
  - yencabulator 1y ago
    The line between Vite and Vite+ exists mostly inside your head. From the outside, Vite is the open core and some set of features are only in Vite+. Best of luck with your commercial project. History has not been kind to open core projects.
    - rk06 1y ago
      it is upto vite team to decide between "open source" or "open core". from my perspective, there is no data to say otherwise, so your "from outside" translates to "In my opinion, but I take no responsibilty for it"
      - yencabulator 1y ago
        No, they don't get to define what those terms mean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-core_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-core_model
        rk06 1y ago
        they certainly get to decide which label to pick for their projects (vite and vite+). you should complain if they do not act according to their choosen labels. but there is nothing done at the moment to complain about.
  - written-beyond 1y ago
    You don't need to be arguing with users here, you have a business and ecosystem to support and people to pay. Decisions need to be taken in order to achieve that, I appreciate all of your work Evan and I genuinely wish you goodluck.

yencabulator 1y ago

Vite is now open core, where whatever you think belongs in the commercial part is not welcome as open source. Rugpull means building a community around an open source project, and then trying to transfer that community to a non-open source product.

EvanYou 1y ago
Wrong - Vite is not open core, Vite+ is. This differentiation is important because even if a feature benefits Vite+, if it needs to be shipped via Vite then it has to be open source. Companies willing to pay for Vite+ help sustain and improve the open source parts powering it, including Vite. Even if you only use Vite and not Vite+, you’d benefit from the success of Vite+, not the other way around. I don’t really find anything inherently wrong with your definition of “rugpull”. If some people in the community are happy to pay for it and the rest also benefit because of it, that’s a win-win in my book.
- yencabulator 1y ago
  The line between Vite and Vite+ exists mostly inside your head. From the outside, Vite is the open core and some set of features are only in Vite+. Best of luck with your commercial project. History has not been kind to open core projects.
  - rk06 1y ago
    it is upto vite team to decide between "open source" or "open core". from my perspective, there is no data to say otherwise, so your "from outside" translates to "In my opinion, but I take no responsibilty for it"
    - yencabulator 1y ago
      No, they don't get to define what those terms mean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-core_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-core_model
      - rk06 1y ago
        they certainly get to decide which label to pick for their projects (vite and vite+). you should complain if they do not act according to their choosen labels. but there is nothing done at the moment to complain about.
- written-beyond 1y ago
  You don't need to be arguing with users here, you have a business and ecosystem to support and people to pay. Decisions need to be taken in order to achieve that, I appreciate all of your work Evan and I genuinely wish you goodluck.