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"TikTok took down my 8-second video featuring an image of Debbie Brockman — the news producer just detained by CBP agents — saying it violates the “joy

"TikTok took down my 8-second video featuring an image of Debbie Brockman — the news producer just detained by CBP agents — saying it violates the “joy of TikTok” " The violation notice from tiktok: "Violation reason Shocking and Graphic content Part of the joy of TikTok is coming across new and unexpected content. But the platform is not a place to intentionally shock, upset, or disgust others. We recognize this type of content may be triggering, cause psychological harm, or lead to extreme discomfort. We do not allow gory, gruesome, disturbing, or extremely violent content."

nomel 1y ago
I suspect this is data driven. It would be reasonable to think that long term engagement drops if people don't enjoy what they watch, in aggregate, even if short term engagement is high for "non joyful" content. From what I can tell, TikTok is powered by dopamine, not cortisol. With dopamine being the "joy" hormone... edit: is there some inside knowledge to the data or algorithm that I'm not aware of that's driving these votes? is this some unreasonable perspective? do humans seek stress, long term?
- ansley 1y ago
  aside from users "stuck in the dopamine loop", i also think tiktok will see users plateau and eventually shrink without relevant content, even if it's a tough watch. If "joy of tiktok" becomes code for "news that does not upset dear leader" folks will go somewhere else for that content, and imho that's a meaningful chunk of users.
  - nomel 1y ago
    > "news that does not upset dear leader" TikToks long history of content moderation appears to be wholly unrelated to the current administration [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_TikTok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_TikTok (not sure why you're comment is negative)
    - citizenkeen 1y ago
      Yes, but TikTok’s ownership has changed.
      - llm_nerd 1y ago
        Almost everything with this administration is just lawless uncertainty so it's hard to tell, but has that actually happened yet? The last info I could find is that some sort of rough deal was solidifying, but that even things like the investor makeup or components was still up in the air. That was just two weeks ago. I don't think it has moved to the new structure yet, or the "all the servers in the US with Oracle control of the algo". Maybe they're just getting ready in advance. Alternately, a motivated subgroup can often coerce platforms. A lot of platforms will engage such moderation simply because enough people brigaded to flag/report something.
      - deleted 1y ago
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      - nomel 1y ago
        It has not: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/trump-threatens-china-new-tariffs-countermeasures-rcna236890 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/trump-threatens-chi... > U.S. officials said in September that China had struck a “framework for a TikTok deal.” However, in the following weeks, China has not confirmed that such a deal was agreed to. > Many experts believe China’s strategy is to keep talking while making few concrete agreements.
  - llm_nerd 1y ago
    Tiktok has long been extremely heavy handed with censorship. A slightly negative comment will get deleted and warnings meted out. Content that angers anyone gets flagged and often removed. And while there were some ephemeral movements where a bunch of young people trend-lambasted Trump, generally I find the platform seems to actually magnify pro-Trump content, even long before he was elected. It's actually a shocking experience seeing Instagram Reels in comparison. The latter seems to remove extraordinarily little. If you enjoy darker if not offensive humour, it is a much more rewarding experience, though sometimes I just marvel that Meta not only allows this, they seem to encourage it.
    - aprilthird2021 1y ago
      Meta has C Suite execs whose job is to make sure specific political content is censored. Usually stuff the US administration doesn't want. Previously this was COVID skepticism. Now it is anti-Israel content mostly
xtajv 1y ago
This is legitimately reassuring. There are nearly-century-old journalistic guidelines and ethical codes about what you do and do not put into widespread news media. Posting explicit details about methods used in a celebrity suicide encourages copycats. Posting explicit details about a shooter's extremist philosophical beliefs brings those beliefs closer to the mainstream AND encourages copycats. There was a certain recent college debate that I was very surprised to see proliferate across social media, because of the fact that We Do Not Publish Snuff Films. I actually assumed it was a deepfake, doubted AP News Wire and Reuters, and finally bought it when I saw a tiktok from the TMZ cutting room floor. The fellow in charge didn't believe it either... until he did, and then it was an all-hands-on-deck moment steadied by someone clearly experiencing a huge surge of adrenaline but keeping their cool while operating in their element.

nomel 1y ago

I suspect this is data driven. It would be reasonable to think that long term engagement drops if people don't enjoy what they watch, in aggregate, even if short term engagement is high for "non joyful" content. From what I can tell, TikTok is powered by dopamine, not cortisol. With dopamine being the "joy" hormone... edit: is there some inside knowledge to the data or algorithm that I'm not aware of that's driving these votes? is this some unreasonable perspective? do humans seek stress, long term?

ansley 1y ago
aside from users "stuck in the dopamine loop", i also think tiktok will see users plateau and eventually shrink without relevant content, even if it's a tough watch. If "joy of tiktok" becomes code for "news that does not upset dear leader" folks will go somewhere else for that content, and imho that's a meaningful chunk of users.
- nomel 1y ago
  > "news that does not upset dear leader" TikToks long history of content moderation appears to be wholly unrelated to the current administration [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_TikTok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_TikTok (not sure why you're comment is negative)
  - citizenkeen 1y ago
    Yes, but TikTok’s ownership has changed.
    - llm_nerd 1y ago
      Almost everything with this administration is just lawless uncertainty so it's hard to tell, but has that actually happened yet? The last info I could find is that some sort of rough deal was solidifying, but that even things like the investor makeup or components was still up in the air. That was just two weeks ago. I don't think it has moved to the new structure yet, or the "all the servers in the US with Oracle control of the algo". Maybe they're just getting ready in advance. Alternately, a motivated subgroup can often coerce platforms. A lot of platforms will engage such moderation simply because enough people brigaded to flag/report something.
    - deleted 1y ago
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    - nomel 1y ago
      It has not: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/trump-threatens-china-new-tariffs-countermeasures-rcna236890 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/trump-threatens-chi... > U.S. officials said in September that China had struck a “framework for a TikTok deal.” However, in the following weeks, China has not confirmed that such a deal was agreed to. > Many experts believe China’s strategy is to keep talking while making few concrete agreements.
- llm_nerd 1y ago
  Tiktok has long been extremely heavy handed with censorship. A slightly negative comment will get deleted and warnings meted out. Content that angers anyone gets flagged and often removed. And while there were some ephemeral movements where a bunch of young people trend-lambasted Trump, generally I find the platform seems to actually magnify pro-Trump content, even long before he was elected. It's actually a shocking experience seeing Instagram Reels in comparison. The latter seems to remove extraordinarily little. If you enjoy darker if not offensive humour, it is a much more rewarding experience, though sometimes I just marvel that Meta not only allows this, they seem to encourage it.
  - aprilthird2021 1y ago
    Meta has C Suite execs whose job is to make sure specific political content is censored. Usually stuff the US administration doesn't want. Previously this was COVID skepticism. Now it is anti-Israel content mostly

xtajv 1y ago

This is legitimately reassuring. There are nearly-century-old journalistic guidelines and ethical codes about what you do and do not put into widespread news media. Posting explicit details about methods used in a celebrity suicide encourages copycats. Posting explicit details about a shooter's extremist philosophical beliefs brings those beliefs closer to the mainstream AND encourages copycats. There was a certain recent college debate that I was very surprised to see proliferate across social media, because of the fact that We Do Not Publish Snuff Films. I actually assumed it was a deepfake, doubted AP News Wire and Reuters, and finally bought it when I saw a tiktok from the TMZ cutting room floor. The fellow in charge didn't believe it either... until he did, and then it was an all-hands-on-deck moment steadied by someone clearly experiencing a huge surge of adrenaline but keeping their cool while operating in their element.