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> pay to win Kamala Harris would like a word.

johaugum 1y ago
Paying is necessary, but not sufficient, to win. In her case, the campaign started too late. And despite being a household name, her policies were less known.
- wdr1 1y ago
  > Paying is necessary Donald Trump would like a word.
  - Yoric 1y ago
    Do I understand correctly that you're saying Donald Trump got lots of support from social networks and TV for free?
lostlogin 1y ago
I looked this up as I doubted it. If it was about money, Trump wouldn’t have had a chance. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/04/trump-vs-harris-fundraising-race-harris-outraised-trump-3-to-1-with-last-pre-election-report/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/04/trump-v...
- thrance 1y ago
  These are only about direct donations. Most money in politics nowadays is this so-called "dark money". Most billionaires I can think of supported Trump: Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Thiel, Ellison... Lobbies generally favor the Right because they are more easily corrupted (Trump 2x his personal fortune in less than a year of presidency). Right-wing influencers got massive grants from think tanks, Russia and other conservative sources, etc.
  - next_xibalba 1y ago
    From what I can find for the 2024 presidential election: Trump/Republicans spent a total of $2.13 billion vs. $3.37 billion by Harris/Dems. This is inclusive of "dark money". [1] https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race/donald-trump/candidate?id=N00023864 https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race/donald-tr... [2] https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race/donald-trump/expenditures https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race/donald-tr... [3] https://www.campaignnow.com/blog/dems-outspent-gop-2-to-1 https://www.campaignnow.com/blog/dems-outspent-gop-2-to-1 [4] https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/dark-money-hit-record-high-19-billion-2024-federal-races https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/dark... [5] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/live-update/election-news-2024/the-cost-of-this-election https://www.pbs.org/newshour/live-update/election-news-2024/...
qcnguy 1y ago
And Hillary Clinton. Thinking you can change strongly held opinions with advertising is wrong.
- unshavedyak 1y ago
  I imagine the devil is in the details though, no? Ie it definitely changes at least one, right? So the real question is cost vs voted gained.
Slava_Propanei 1y ago
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Paying is necessary, but not sufficient, to win. In her case, the campaign started too late. And despite being a household name, her policies were less known.

wdr1 1y ago
> Paying is necessary Donald Trump would like a word.
- Yoric 1y ago
  Do I understand correctly that you're saying Donald Trump got lots of support from social networks and TV for free?

lostlogin 1y ago

I looked this up as I doubted it. If it was about money, Trump wouldn’t have had a chance. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/04/trump-vs-harris-fundraising-race-harris-outraised-trump-3-to-1-with-last-pre-election-report/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/04/trump-v...

thrance 1y ago
These are only about direct donations. Most money in politics nowadays is this so-called "dark money". Most billionaires I can think of supported Trump: Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Thiel, Ellison... Lobbies generally favor the Right because they are more easily corrupted (Trump 2x his personal fortune in less than a year of presidency). Right-wing influencers got massive grants from think tanks, Russia and other conservative sources, etc.
- next_xibalba 1y ago
  From what I can find for the 2024 presidential election: Trump/Republicans spent a total of $2.13 billion vs. $3.37 billion by Harris/Dems. This is inclusive of "dark money". [1] https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race/donald-trump/candidate?id=N00023864 https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race/donald-tr... [2] https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race/donald-trump/expenditures https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race/donald-tr... [3] https://www.campaignnow.com/blog/dems-outspent-gop-2-to-1 https://www.campaignnow.com/blog/dems-outspent-gop-2-to-1 [4] https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/dark-money-hit-record-high-19-billion-2024-federal-races https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/dark... [5] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/live-update/election-news-2024/the-cost-of-this-election https://www.pbs.org/newshour/live-update/election-news-2024/...

qcnguy 1y ago

And Hillary Clinton. Thinking you can change strongly held opinions with advertising is wrong.

unshavedyak 1y ago
I imagine the devil is in the details though, no? Ie it definitely changes at least one, right? So the real question is cost vs voted gained.

Slava_Propanei 1y ago

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