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The only time before this I've felt like Apple took a huge UX or appearance dive on an OS upgrade was iOS6 -> iOS7. People complain about almost every macOS upg

The only time before this I've felt like Apple took a huge UX or appearance dive on an OS upgrade was iOS6 -> iOS7. People complain about almost every macOS upgrade, but the closest they've come to bothering me is that I hated the new tab styles in desktop Safari they introduced a while ago, but that was configurable so I just set it back to normal and that was that. I've disliked other things (the Touch Bar was never anything but a way for me to accidentally open Music—I basically had to disable it to make any of those MacBooks usable) but never really been bothered by an OSX/macOS update's appearance. So, I didn't expect to mind this at all, despite lots of people apparently hating it. Then I upgraded. And yeah, it's remarkably shitty looking, first time I've agreed with the "haters" for a macOS release. It looks like an above-average GTK theme, which is to say, awful. Plus they found a new and different way to make Safari's tabs look like crap (and I'd swear tab manipulation is super laggy now, where it wasn't before) and this time I can't fix it with a settings toggle. Like, that element specifically looks and feels like it's from a below average GTK theme.

sethops1 1y ago
Heh, I submitted a complaint with Apple every day until they reverted those Safari tab styles. Awful design. There is something deeply broken inside Apple allowing these broken, awful designs get out.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  People are getting paid based on how many changes they effect.
  - shermantanktop 1y ago
    I thought the strength of Apple design, historically, was the resistance to this middle-manager BS. Apple pushed out UI changes just to keep the pot boiling, so to speak, but it generally all made sense together, which suggests strong governance. P.S. thank you for using the correct form of “effect”!
sroussey 1y ago
The touchbar was great, but it should have been above the (half height) function keys. Had they done that, it would still be around.
- dpark 1y ago
  “No one wants an actual touch screen, but they definitely want a really narrow touchscreen directly above their keyboard. It’s contextual.” I had a MacBook Pro with the touchbar for a little while. I found it to be useless. I do agree if they had left the function keys alone it would have been a much better, or at least less annoying, option.
  - int_19h 1y ago
    > No one wants an actual touch screen, but they definitely want a really narrow touchscreen directly above their keyboard. It’s contextual The reason why I don't want an actual touch screen on my laptop (after using two laptops with one) is because it's just not ergonomic. For one thing, operating it strains the arm very quickly. For another, it means covering the screen with fingerprints, although that's less of an issue with modern ultrabright screens (but sometimes I don't want bright). A dedicated touchscreen that's located in an area where it's actually convenient to use is a very different story though.
    - dpark 1y ago
      Just like big screens on phones weren’t ergonomic and a stylus for a tablet meant the tablet interface had failed. It’s a bad idea right until Apple does it. (Which is not to say that Apple might not do it better if/when they decide to do it.) An upright screen that you need to use for lots of input would indeed result in the arm becoming tired quickly. But no one actually uses their touchscreen laptops like that. It’s an additional form of input. Most of the time you still use the keyboard and mouse/trackpad. But it’s very convenient sometimes to reach forward and touch the thing you want to click instead of mousing over to it (especially if you have multiple monitors). It’s also extremely convenient/comfortable for scrolling through long documents if you have a laptop on or near your lap. You rest your hand on the base/your lap/table and scroll with your thumb. I don’t use the touchscreen on my Windows laptops a ton, but I still use it daily. And I miss it when I use my MacBook.

sethops1 1y ago

Heh, I submitted a complaint with Apple every day until they reverted those Safari tab styles. Awful design. There is something deeply broken inside Apple allowing these broken, awful designs get out.

lotsofpulp 1y ago
People are getting paid based on how many changes they effect.
- shermantanktop 1y ago
  I thought the strength of Apple design, historically, was the resistance to this middle-manager BS. Apple pushed out UI changes just to keep the pot boiling, so to speak, but it generally all made sense together, which suggests strong governance. P.S. thank you for using the correct form of “effect”!

sroussey 1y ago

The touchbar was great, but it should have been above the (half height) function keys. Had they done that, it would still be around.

dpark 1y ago
“No one wants an actual touch screen, but they definitely want a really narrow touchscreen directly above their keyboard. It’s contextual.” I had a MacBook Pro with the touchbar for a little while. I found it to be useless. I do agree if they had left the function keys alone it would have been a much better, or at least less annoying, option.
- int_19h 1y ago
  > No one wants an actual touch screen, but they definitely want a really narrow touchscreen directly above their keyboard. It’s contextual The reason why I don't want an actual touch screen on my laptop (after using two laptops with one) is because it's just not ergonomic. For one thing, operating it strains the arm very quickly. For another, it means covering the screen with fingerprints, although that's less of an issue with modern ultrabright screens (but sometimes I don't want bright). A dedicated touchscreen that's located in an area where it's actually convenient to use is a very different story though.
  - dpark 1y ago
    Just like big screens on phones weren’t ergonomic and a stylus for a tablet meant the tablet interface had failed. It’s a bad idea right until Apple does it. (Which is not to say that Apple might not do it better if/when they decide to do it.) An upright screen that you need to use for lots of input would indeed result in the arm becoming tired quickly. But no one actually uses their touchscreen laptops like that. It’s an additional form of input. Most of the time you still use the keyboard and mouse/trackpad. But it’s very convenient sometimes to reach forward and touch the thing you want to click instead of mousing over to it (especially if you have multiple monitors). It’s also extremely convenient/comfortable for scrolling through long documents if you have a laptop on or near your lap. You rest your hand on the base/your lap/table and scroll with your thumb. I don’t use the touchscreen on my Windows laptops a ton, but I still use it daily. And I miss it when I use my MacBook.