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> if there's actually a choice to make. I don't get it, there is always a choice to make, which is which action to continue with? > Showing too many choices a

by eviks 1y ago

> if there's actually a choice to make. I don't get it, there is always a choice to make, which is which action to continue with? > Showing too many choices at once can be overwhelming It can't be more overwhelming than having to remember all of those choices and using external docs/configs to look them up! Besides, it's not like there are no improvements possible and you have to show everything at once. For example, all your "all kinds of repetable actions" can be limited by the most frequently used 10 actions and an "others" submenu you could invoke separately if you were looking for something else. And your "another digit" is just a single line "0-9 continue the count", so what's the issue there?

zahlman 1y ago
> I don't get it, there is always a choice to make, which is which action to continue with? The point is that if the input for a command is XY, there had better also be an XZ. Otherwise XY should just be X.
- eviks 1y ago
  How is this relevant to the tooltip conversation? If you have XY (without XZ) instead of just X, well, maybe you could simplify, or maybe it still makes sense for you for some reason, whatever, in any case you'd appreciate immediate contextual help if you press X and then forget that Y is the finisher.
  - zahlman 1y ago
    Because if the command is just X then you just input X and the action occurs. There is no need for "immediate contextual help" because there is no time wasted on a useless immediate context. It's bad UI design to have the user input X and then wait for Y before doing anything when there is only one intention the user could actually have in mind. Having a popup say in effect "hey, I'm not going to do anything until you press Y" is not an improvement.
    - eviks 1y ago
      > input X and then wait for Y before doing anything when there is only one intention the user could actually have in mind That's obviously false, the second possible intention is... cancellation. For example, you can bind Q,Q to quit the app (and no other key is prefixed with a Q), but then you could press Q mistakenly or change your mind at the last moment. But you continue to argue with your own strawman - nothing about helpful popups changes the underlying behavior. So if your magic design is to run XY just on X press, that would be bad design, but you can still do it! And the popup will never appear because the action is complete, so no help needed.
- FridgeSeal 1y ago
  You’re going to hate that my shortcut for Normal mode is j-k, and I don’t have any other j-* commands.

by eviks 1y ago

zahlman 1y ago

> I don't get it, there is always a choice to make, which is which action to continue with? The point is that if the input for a command is XY, there had better also be an XZ. Otherwise XY should just be X.

eviks 1y ago
How is this relevant to the tooltip conversation? If you have XY (without XZ) instead of just X, well, maybe you could simplify, or maybe it still makes sense for you for some reason, whatever, in any case you'd appreciate immediate contextual help if you press X and then forget that Y is the finisher.
- zahlman 1y ago
  Because if the command is just X then you just input X and the action occurs. There is no need for "immediate contextual help" because there is no time wasted on a useless immediate context. It's bad UI design to have the user input X and then wait for Y before doing anything when there is only one intention the user could actually have in mind. Having a popup say in effect "hey, I'm not going to do anything until you press Y" is not an improvement.
  - eviks 1y ago
    > input X and then wait for Y before doing anything when there is only one intention the user could actually have in mind That's obviously false, the second possible intention is... cancellation. For example, you can bind Q,Q to quit the app (and no other key is prefixed with a Q), but then you could press Q mistakenly or change your mind at the last moment. But you continue to argue with your own strawman - nothing about helpful popups changes the underlying behavior. So if your magic design is to run XY just on X press, that would be bad design, but you can still do it! And the popup will never appear because the action is complete, so no help needed.
FridgeSeal 1y ago
You’re going to hate that my shortcut for Normal mode is j-k, and I don’t have any other j-* commands.