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Math has no relationship to behavior, nor do almost all terms used to describe behavior, engineers should have already grasped cog-sci is folk science. If engi

Math has no relationship to behavior, nor do almost all terms used to describe behavior, engineers should have already grasped cog-sci is folk science. If engineers remain uneducated in this way, you'll become sycophants led as lemmings by cult figures like Alexander. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7415918/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7415918/

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Math has no relationship to behavior, nor do almost all terms used to describe behavior The math of orbital mechanics has no relation to the behaviour of objects in orbit?
- mallowfram 1y ago
  We're talking about "you obviously can reason about politics in the same way one can reason about anything else that doesn't behave rationally, like fish" Stick to politics, that's the thread, engineer.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Stick to politics, that's the thread, engineer Lol what? You just posted a cog-sci op ed whose first third rambles on being refused publication decades prior. (The second two thirds pretends behavioural neutoanatomy, where we stimulate brain structures to see what happens, doesn’t exist.)
    - mallowfram 1y ago
      You don't even grasp what that paper is. It's not an op-ed, it's a theory/review article with empirical evidence that's increased many percentages since it was refused publication, now it's a primary approach in neurobiology. Read carefully.
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
> Math has no relationship to behavior Of fractals and fluids? I think you misunderstood what they wrote.
- mallowfram 1y ago
  Math may be able to model those things momentarily, but ultimately "all models are wrong yet some are helpful" so YES math has no relationship to behavior, it cannot reference it. It can only symbolically (arbitrarily) model it.
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
    > It can only symbolically (arbitrarily) model it. Stating that it's a model is not the same thing as stating that it is useless. Nor that the relationships are wholly wrong. You said it yourself. > all models are wrong yet some are helpful
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > ultimately "all models are wrong yet some are helpful" so YES math has no relationship to behavior, it cannot reference it. It can only symbolically (arbitrarily) model it Sure, nothing is knowable. Great if you’re trying to get social sciences funding. Not super useful for anything practical.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> Math has no relationship to behavior, nor do almost all terms used to describe behavior The math of orbital mechanics has no relation to the behaviour of objects in orbit?

mallowfram 1y ago
We're talking about "you obviously can reason about politics in the same way one can reason about anything else that doesn't behave rationally, like fish" Stick to politics, that's the thread, engineer.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Stick to politics, that's the thread, engineer Lol what? You just posted a cog-sci op ed whose first third rambles on being refused publication decades prior. (The second two thirds pretends behavioural neutoanatomy, where we stimulate brain structures to see what happens, doesn’t exist.)
  - mallowfram 1y ago
    You don't even grasp what that paper is. It's not an op-ed, it's a theory/review article with empirical evidence that's increased many percentages since it was refused publication, now it's a primary approach in neurobiology. Read carefully.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago

> Math has no relationship to behavior Of fractals and fluids? I think you misunderstood what they wrote.

mallowfram 1y ago
Math may be able to model those things momentarily, but ultimately "all models are wrong yet some are helpful" so YES math has no relationship to behavior, it cannot reference it. It can only symbolically (arbitrarily) model it.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
  > It can only symbolically (arbitrarily) model it. Stating that it's a model is not the same thing as stating that it is useless. Nor that the relationships are wholly wrong. You said it yourself. > all models are wrong yet some are helpful
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > ultimately "all models are wrong yet some are helpful" so YES math has no relationship to behavior, it cannot reference it. It can only symbolically (arbitrarily) model it Sure, nothing is knowable. Great if you’re trying to get social sciences funding. Not super useful for anything practical.