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Have you ridden the existing Vegas tunnel? Tens of thousands of riders when I was there and not a spec of dirt. Very far from perfect, but a long way from usel

Have you ridden the existing Vegas tunnel? Tens of thousands of riders when I was there and not a spec of dirt. Very far from perfect, but a long way from useless.

dagmx 1y ago
The LVCC Loop has demonstrated a peak capacity of ~4,400–4,500 passengers per hour in testing. How did you arrive at tens of thousands of riders?
- testing22321 1y ago
  I was at the world’s biggest automotive show. It was packed.
  - olyjohn 1y ago
    I didn't realize they could fit tens of thousands of people in the waiting areas. Those stations must really be something to behold.
  - dagmx 1y ago
    So then saying “ Tens of thousands of riders” is a lie since they weren’t actually using the tunnels to ride in at the time.
    - testing22321 1y ago
      I didn’t say anything like at the same time. In my week in Vegas for SEMA from 8am to well after dark it was always jam packed. That’s tens of thousands of riders. What was it like when you rode it?
      - dagmx 1y ago
        I’m not in LA so I haven’t ridden it but that’s a moot point to the discussion. Having tens of thousands of drivers over an unspecified time period rather than simultaneously isn’t really a flex imho.
        testing22321 1y ago
        I didn’t intend it to be a flex. I was stating what I saw when I rode it.
        serf 1y ago
        >Tens of thousands of riders You saw tens of thousands of riders? That anecdote just doesn't jibe with the throughput numbers -- that's why it seems like a flex, it's grossly inflated. Now before we go into pedantry and you talk about how 'riders' meant 'all willing participants who are sitting in line' , fine -- i've been to SEMA and I understand those crowds , but those aren't riders. It's a misreporting of the situation, and frankly it seems intentional.
        testing22321 1y ago
        I did. I was in and around multiple stations for a week, from early till late, and never saw a single one anything other than packed. Lineups up the turned off escalators topside were extremely common. Many tens of thousands of people were riding. FWIW I was at the event that caused the worlds biggest event centre (the Vegas convention centre) to expand, because it wasn’t big enough to host the event. Millions and millions of people in and around the convention centre, all serviced by the loop.
AgentK20 1y ago
There were tens of thousands of riders _when you were there?_ Or there were tens of thousands of riders over the lifetime of the system? Most videos I've seen recently show a system that, while functional, typically only has a handful of vehicles running simultaneously, each with carrying capacity for one party of up to 3 people.
- testing22321 1y ago
  When I was there. During SEMA, the worlds biggest automotive show.
Moomoomoo309 1y ago
Tens of thousands of riders in what time period? Please, look up how many people it is capable of moving per hour, and compare that to any light rail or street car service in any city. There is no way the loop makes sense to build.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Please, look up how many people it is capable of moving per hour …what is it?
  - foxyv 1y ago
    Peak ridership is about 1300/hour. About how many people you can fit in two trams. Or 10 Disneyland people movers.
    - Retric 1y ago
      That seems high for what it is. Is that hypothetical peak or actually measured capacity?
      - foxyv 1y ago
        That is the peak spontaneous ridership per hour. So about 22 people per minute. Probably measured during a convention or something. Most of the time it's probably half of that. So essentially they made a ride comparable to Space Mountain that takes about 2200 passengers per hour.
- chrisfosterelli 1y ago
  > Please, look up how many people it is capable of moving per hour, and compare that to any light rail or street car service in any city. I have a hard time understanding this criticism. Why not do both? It seems to me like underground highways make sense as an alternative to above ground highways in urban areas, not that they're an alternative to rail. There's lots of cities with excellent public transport that also make use of underground car travel (Melbourne for e.g.). If a company can figure out how to (safely) make underground highways more quickly and more affordably, it seems like that means we may need to do above-ground roads less frequently -- why would that not be a good thing? Further, obviously Musk has a PR angle in facilitating tesla traffic here as the test bed in early days, but I don't see any reason that this couldn't be repurposed to rail use at scale.
Veserv 1y ago
In 2023-03, they did passenger 1,000,000 [1]. In 2024-05, they did passenger 2,000,000 [2]. So 1,000,000 passengers in 14 months or ~420 days. That is a average throughput of ~2,400 passengers per day. In comparison, the Tokyo Marunouchi line averages ~1,100,000 passengers per day [3]. That is ~420x the rate. Every single day, they do what the Las Vegas Loop does in a year. The peak capacity that they claim without evidence is ~32,000 in a day [4]. The Maruonouchi line does in a day what the Las Vegas Loop at maximum capacity could theoretically do in a entire month. [1] https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-boring-co-vegas-loop-1-million-passengers/ https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-boring-co-vegas-loop-1-m... [2] https://www.teslarati.com/boring-company-2-million-passengers https://www.teslarati.com/boring-company-2-million-passenger... [3] https://www.japan-experience.com/plan-your-trip/travel-by-train/getting-around-tokyo/tokyo-metro-marunouchi-line-a-comprehensive-guide https://www.japan-experience.com/plan-your-trip/travel-by-tr... [4] https://www.boringcompany.com/lvcc https://www.boringcompany.com/lvcc
- testing22321 1y ago
  You are 100% correct. It’s small fry right now. You might be shocked to learn the first airplane couldn’t take passengers. Things improve, or at least attempt to. Even if it fails, I’d rather live in a world where new ideas are being tried and tested and not always talking about how good my horse and cart is.
  - mschuster91 1y ago
    There's that, but attempting to run around regulations despite numerous violations just doesn't fly either.
    - testing22321 1y ago
      And they will be punished for it, exactly as defined by the law.
      - mschuster91 1y ago

Have you ridden the existing Vegas tunnel? Tens of thousands of riders when I was there and not a spec of dirt. Very far from perfect, but a long way from useless.

dagmx 1y ago

The LVCC Loop has demonstrated a peak capacity of ~4,400–4,500 passengers per hour in testing. How did you arrive at tens of thousands of riders?

testing22321 1y ago
I was at the world’s biggest automotive show. It was packed.
- olyjohn 1y ago
  I didn't realize they could fit tens of thousands of people in the waiting areas. Those stations must really be something to behold.
- dagmx 1y ago
  So then saying “ Tens of thousands of riders” is a lie since they weren’t actually using the tunnels to ride in at the time.
  - testing22321 1y ago
    I didn’t say anything like at the same time. In my week in Vegas for SEMA from 8am to well after dark it was always jam packed. That’s tens of thousands of riders. What was it like when you rode it?
    - dagmx 1y ago
      I’m not in LA so I haven’t ridden it but that’s a moot point to the discussion. Having tens of thousands of drivers over an unspecified time period rather than simultaneously isn’t really a flex imho.
      - testing22321 1y ago
        I didn’t intend it to be a flex. I was stating what I saw when I rode it.
        serf 1y ago
        >Tens of thousands of riders You saw tens of thousands of riders? That anecdote just doesn't jibe with the throughput numbers -- that's why it seems like a flex, it's grossly inflated. Now before we go into pedantry and you talk about how 'riders' meant 'all willing participants who are sitting in line' , fine -- i've been to SEMA and I understand those crowds , but those aren't riders. It's a misreporting of the situation, and frankly it seems intentional.
        testing22321 1y ago
        I did. I was in and around multiple stations for a week, from early till late, and never saw a single one anything other than packed. Lineups up the turned off escalators topside were extremely common. Many tens of thousands of people were riding. FWIW I was at the event that caused the worlds biggest event centre (the Vegas convention centre) to expand, because it wasn’t big enough to host the event. Millions and millions of people in and around the convention centre, all serviced by the loop.

AgentK20 1y ago

There were tens of thousands of riders _when you were there?_ Or there were tens of thousands of riders over the lifetime of the system? Most videos I've seen recently show a system that, while functional, typically only has a handful of vehicles running simultaneously, each with carrying capacity for one party of up to 3 people.

testing22321 1y ago
When I was there. During SEMA, the worlds biggest automotive show.

Moomoomoo309 1y ago

Tens of thousands of riders in what time period? Please, look up how many people it is capable of moving per hour, and compare that to any light rail or street car service in any city. There is no way the loop makes sense to build.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Please, look up how many people it is capable of moving per hour …what is it?
- foxyv 1y ago
  Peak ridership is about 1300/hour. About how many people you can fit in two trams. Or 10 Disneyland people movers.
  - Retric 1y ago
    That seems high for what it is. Is that hypothetical peak or actually measured capacity?
    - foxyv 1y ago
      That is the peak spontaneous ridership per hour. So about 22 people per minute. Probably measured during a convention or something. Most of the time it's probably half of that. So essentially they made a ride comparable to Space Mountain that takes about 2200 passengers per hour.
chrisfosterelli 1y ago
> Please, look up how many people it is capable of moving per hour, and compare that to any light rail or street car service in any city. I have a hard time understanding this criticism. Why not do both? It seems to me like underground highways make sense as an alternative to above ground highways in urban areas, not that they're an alternative to rail. There's lots of cities with excellent public transport that also make use of underground car travel (Melbourne for e.g.). If a company can figure out how to (safely) make underground highways more quickly and more affordably, it seems like that means we may need to do above-ground roads less frequently -- why would that not be a good thing? Further, obviously Musk has a PR angle in facilitating tesla traffic here as the test bed in early days, but I don't see any reason that this couldn't be repurposed to rail use at scale.

Veserv 1y ago

In 2023-03, they did passenger 1,000,000 [1]. In 2024-05, they did passenger 2,000,000 [2]. So 1,000,000 passengers in 14 months or ~420 days. That is a average throughput of ~2,400 passengers per day. In comparison, the Tokyo Marunouchi line averages ~1,100,000 passengers per day [3]. That is ~420x the rate. Every single day, they do what the Las Vegas Loop does in a year. The peak capacity that they claim without evidence is ~32,000 in a day [4]. The Maruonouchi line does in a day what the Las Vegas Loop at maximum capacity could theoretically do in a entire month. [1] https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-boring-co-vegas-loop-1-million-passengers/ https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-boring-co-vegas-loop-1-m... [2] https://www.teslarati.com/boring-company-2-million-passengers https://www.teslarati.com/boring-company-2-million-passenger... [3] https://www.japan-experience.com/plan-your-trip/travel-by-train/getting-around-tokyo/tokyo-metro-marunouchi-line-a-comprehensive-guide https://www.japan-experience.com/plan-your-trip/travel-by-tr... [4] https://www.boringcompany.com/lvcc https://www.boringcompany.com/lvcc

testing22321 1y ago
You are 100% correct. It’s small fry right now. You might be shocked to learn the first airplane couldn’t take passengers. Things improve, or at least attempt to. Even if it fails, I’d rather live in a world where new ideas are being tried and tested and not always talking about how good my horse and cart is.
- mschuster91 1y ago
  There's that, but attempting to run around regulations despite numerous violations just doesn't fly either.
  - testing22321 1y ago
    And they will be punished for it, exactly as defined by the law.
    - mschuster91 1y ago