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Obama can’t possibly be the catalyst for your disregard of the NPP. There were far more controversial picks for decades prior. This obsession with Obama’s awar

Obama can’t possibly be the catalyst for your disregard of the NPP. There were far more controversial picks for decades prior. This obsession with Obama’s award is just further evidence Fox News decides what we recall and get angry about. It comes up every single year. It’s a meme at this point. Obama but not Arafat or Kissinger? Get out of here lmao

sys32768 1y ago
Arafat and Rabin received it for "their efforts to create peace in the Middle East." Kissinger and Lê Đức Thọ received it because they "jointly worked for a ceasefire and for bringing peace to Vietnam," though Lê Đức Thọ refused it and Kissinger did not attend the ceremony. Obama received it nine months into his Presidency for "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," despite having few if any concrete foreign policy achievements. Obama could have at least matched Kissinger by ducking the ceremony, or even by refusing it like Lê Đức Thọ did because it wasn't justified.
- Forgeties79 1y ago
  I’m not saying I agree with his getting it but the amount of attention it has gotten and continues to get 17 years later is absolutely ridiculous
- bilbo0s 1y ago
  Amazing that we're actually debating which of the warlords created the most peace per fatality inflicted in a discussion on the merits of their Nobel Peace Prizes. That alone, in a sane world, would tell you these people had no business having a Nobel Peace Prize. At least Kissinger and Lê Đức Thọ had the common decency not to stand at that podium. Most of those other Nobel Peace Prize winners did not have that kind of self awareness.
  - Forgeties79 1y ago
    Thank you, you’re making my point far better than I am. The entire discussion is out of whack.
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cosmicgadget 1y ago
> obsession with Obama’s award It is amazing how many hits you get when you Ctrl+F 'Obama' on this post.
- lyu07282 1y ago
  In the context of Trump trying to get one too, isn't that pretty obvious to bring up? Perhaps we could talk about Jimmy Carter's war crimes too, he got a peace nobel as well. Committing war crimes is a bit like breathing for US presidents.
  - Forgeties79 1y ago
    It’s only obvious because Trump is weirdly obsessed with Obama’s achievements and sometimes even seems fueled by a desire to mirror them.
    - lyu07282 1y ago
      Yeah but not sure how real it is, if Trump is serious about regime change war in Venezuela it would make sense to have their Juan Guaidó 2.0 puppet win it instead to manufacture consent for the war. So perhaps he got what he wanted anyway.
- shusaku 1y ago
  The tankies are trying to discredit any criticism of Maduro
  - Forgeties79 1y ago
    It’s mostly conservatives IME going “Trump deserves the peace prize” while also saying “the peace prize is meaningless because Obama got one.” Depending on the context and who they are talking to they emphasize one side of that or the other.
EasyMark 1y ago
I think the GOP lost its mind when a black man won the Presidential election and had the audacity to get the peace prize as well. It has never left their news cycle since that time and why Trump is obsessed with getting a NPP.

sys32768 1y ago

Arafat and Rabin received it for "their efforts to create peace in the Middle East." Kissinger and Lê Đức Thọ received it because they "jointly worked for a ceasefire and for bringing peace to Vietnam," though Lê Đức Thọ refused it and Kissinger did not attend the ceremony. Obama received it nine months into his Presidency for "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," despite having few if any concrete foreign policy achievements. Obama could have at least matched Kissinger by ducking the ceremony, or even by refusing it like Lê Đức Thọ did because it wasn't justified.

Forgeties79 1y ago
I’m not saying I agree with his getting it but the amount of attention it has gotten and continues to get 17 years later is absolutely ridiculous
bilbo0s 1y ago
Amazing that we're actually debating which of the warlords created the most peace per fatality inflicted in a discussion on the merits of their Nobel Peace Prizes. That alone, in a sane world, would tell you these people had no business having a Nobel Peace Prize. At least Kissinger and Lê Đức Thọ had the common decency not to stand at that podium. Most of those other Nobel Peace Prize winners did not have that kind of self awareness.
- Forgeties79 1y ago
  Thank you, you’re making my point far better than I am. The entire discussion is out of whack.

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cosmicgadget 1y ago

> obsession with Obama’s award It is amazing how many hits you get when you Ctrl+F 'Obama' on this post.

lyu07282 1y ago
In the context of Trump trying to get one too, isn't that pretty obvious to bring up? Perhaps we could talk about Jimmy Carter's war crimes too, he got a peace nobel as well. Committing war crimes is a bit like breathing for US presidents.
- Forgeties79 1y ago
  It’s only obvious because Trump is weirdly obsessed with Obama’s achievements and sometimes even seems fueled by a desire to mirror them.
  - lyu07282 1y ago
    Yeah but not sure how real it is, if Trump is serious about regime change war in Venezuela it would make sense to have their Juan Guaidó 2.0 puppet win it instead to manufacture consent for the war. So perhaps he got what he wanted anyway.
shusaku 1y ago
The tankies are trying to discredit any criticism of Maduro
- Forgeties79 1y ago
  It’s mostly conservatives IME going “Trump deserves the peace prize” while also saying “the peace prize is meaningless because Obama got one.” Depending on the context and who they are talking to they emphasize one side of that or the other.

EasyMark 1y ago

I think the GOP lost its mind when a black man won the Presidential election and had the audacity to get the peace prize as well. It has never left their news cycle since that time and why Trump is obsessed with getting a NPP.