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That's the world we are in. Operating systems in modern computers are pretty much just sandboxed apps being run by the firmware. On lower end phones, it is alr

That's the world we are in. Operating systems in modern computers are pretty much just sandboxed apps being run by the firmware. On lower end phones, it is already common to have the OS that the firmware runs be a realtime hypervisor that multiplexes Android with a higher priority realtime OS to help drive the radio. > device attestation and the power that gives them (and Governments) to control what your computer can and cannot do. Device attastation is probably the least scary form of this. You still get to run whatever software you want; all you lose out on is the ability to interact with external services that demand attestation. This is a much more pro-consumer way of implementing DRM than actually locking down computers, which looked to be the way the industry was heading for years.

thewebguyd 1y ago
> all you lose out on is the ability to interact with external services that demand attestation. That's the problem "lose out on the ability to function on modern society unless you use an approved device or an approved OS." Not looking forward to a world where I have to have two phones, one "approved government and bank services phone" and one that's a device I actually own and control. > This is a much more pro-consumer way of implementing DRM than actually locking down computers No such thing as pro-consumer DRM, it's an oxymoron. And Google IS locking down computers, requiring identity verification and Google to sign any app to run on Android, which conveniently they could pull at any time. What happens when online services stop even doing business via their website and forces the use of a mobile app? Suddenly now all Linux (and Mac and Windows) computers are locked out of interacting with most of the commercial web and you are forced to have a tracking device to simply exist. Maybe it's a "lesser evil" but it's still evil, and not something we should just settle on and accept.
- Infernal 1y ago
  > one that's a device I actually own and control. Where do you find such a device today? Pixel with GrapheneOS? Any decent mobile Linux hardware I don’t know about?
  - jhasse 1y ago
    https://murena.com/products/smartphones/ https://murena.com/products/smartphones/
    - npodbielski 1y ago
      /e/os is just lineage os fork? What does it give me over my one plus with linage os? Also if this is de googled probably banking apps won't work.
      - ranger_danger 1y ago
        > one plus If you are concerned about privacy, why are you using a firmware-backdoored chinese phone?
  - fsflover 1y ago
    https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 https://puri.sm/products/librem-5

thewebguyd 1y ago

> all you lose out on is the ability to interact with external services that demand attestation. That's the problem "lose out on the ability to function on modern society unless you use an approved device or an approved OS." Not looking forward to a world where I have to have two phones, one "approved government and bank services phone" and one that's a device I actually own and control. > This is a much more pro-consumer way of implementing DRM than actually locking down computers No such thing as pro-consumer DRM, it's an oxymoron. And Google IS locking down computers, requiring identity verification and Google to sign any app to run on Android, which conveniently they could pull at any time. What happens when online services stop even doing business via their website and forces the use of a mobile app? Suddenly now all Linux (and Mac and Windows) computers are locked out of interacting with most of the commercial web and you are forced to have a tracking device to simply exist. Maybe it's a "lesser evil" but it's still evil, and not something we should just settle on and accept.

Infernal 1y ago
> one that's a device I actually own and control. Where do you find such a device today? Pixel with GrapheneOS? Any decent mobile Linux hardware I don’t know about?
- jhasse 1y ago
  https://murena.com/products/smartphones/ https://murena.com/products/smartphones/
  - npodbielski 1y ago
    /e/os is just lineage os fork? What does it give me over my one plus with linage os? Also if this is de googled probably banking apps won't work.
    - ranger_danger 1y ago
      > one plus If you are concerned about privacy, why are you using a firmware-backdoored chinese phone?
- fsflover 1y ago
  https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 https://puri.sm/products/librem-5