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I respectfully disagree with your premise. In this specific case, yes, "Google does good thing" in a sense. That is not why I'm saying Google has too much power

I respectfully disagree with your premise. In this specific case, yes, "Google does good thing" in a sense. That is not why I'm saying Google has too much power. "Too much" is relative and whether they do good or bad debatable, of course, but it's hard to argue that they don't have a gigantic influence on the whole internet, no? :) Helping people avoid potentially devastating mistakes is of course a good thing.

thetimman8 1y ago
You're not wrong. You just picked a poor example which illustrates the opposite of the point you're making.
- ericselin 1y ago
  Fair enough! :)
neon_erosion 1y ago
What point are you trying to make here? You hosted phishing sites on your primary domain, which was then flagged as unsafe. You chose not to use the tools that would have marked those sites as belonging to individual users, and the system worked as designed.
- ericselin 1y ago
  Please note that this tool (PSL) is not available until you have a significant user base. Which probably means a significant amount of spam as well.
  - zamadatix 1y ago
    Where'd you see/hear that? It hasn't been my experience at least - but maybe I've just been lucky or undercounting the sites. There are required steps to follow but none are "have x users" or "see a lot of spam". It's mostly "follow proper DNS steps and guidelines in the given format" with a little "show you're doing this for the intended reason rather than to circumvent something the PSL is not meant for/for something the public can't get to anyways" (e.g. tricking rate limits, internal only or single user personal sites) added on top.
    - ericselin 1y ago
      https://github.com/publicsuffix/list/wiki/Guidelines#validation-and-non-acceptance-factors https://github.com/publicsuffix/list/wiki/Guidelines#validat... "Projects that are smaller in scale or are temporary or seasonal in nature will likely be declined. Examples of this might be private-use, sandbox, test, lab, beta, or other exploratory nature changes or requests. It should be expected that despite whatever site or service referred a requestor to seek addition of their domain(s) to the list, projects not serving more then thousands of users are quite likely to be declined." Maybe the rules have changed, or maybe you were lucky? :)
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      - zamadatix 1y ago
        Ah yeah, looks like it was added in 2022 https://github.com/publicsuffix/list/wiki/Guidelines/_compare/7159affa2a56e2090c67ba9d08e97c6fc31e9e89...9636b47db674f65a16f3c461315ae01bf018822e https://github.com/publicsuffix/list/wiki/Guidelines/_compar... Thanks for the note!
faust201 1y ago
> but it's hard to argue that they don't have a gigantic influence on the whole internet, no? :) Then don't relate this to safe browsing. What is the connection? You could have just written a one liner. Google has too much power. This has nothing to do with safe-browsing. In fact you could write... - USA/China/EU etc has too much power.. You use the word relative in another reply.. Same way.. My employer has relatively too much power...

thetimman8 1y ago

You're not wrong. You just picked a poor example which illustrates the opposite of the point you're making.

ericselin 1y ago
Fair enough! :)

neon_erosion 1y ago

What point are you trying to make here? You hosted phishing sites on your primary domain, which was then flagged as unsafe. You chose not to use the tools that would have marked those sites as belonging to individual users, and the system worked as designed.

ericselin 1y ago
Please note that this tool (PSL) is not available until you have a significant user base. Which probably means a significant amount of spam as well.
- zamadatix 1y ago
  Where'd you see/hear that? It hasn't been my experience at least - but maybe I've just been lucky or undercounting the sites. There are required steps to follow but none are "have x users" or "see a lot of spam". It's mostly "follow proper DNS steps and guidelines in the given format" with a little "show you're doing this for the intended reason rather than to circumvent something the PSL is not meant for/for something the public can't get to anyways" (e.g. tricking rate limits, internal only or single user personal sites) added on top.
  - ericselin 1y ago
    https://github.com/publicsuffix/list/wiki/Guidelines#validation-and-non-acceptance-factors https://github.com/publicsuffix/list/wiki/Guidelines#validat... "Projects that are smaller in scale or are temporary or seasonal in nature will likely be declined. Examples of this might be private-use, sandbox, test, lab, beta, or other exploratory nature changes or requests. It should be expected that despite whatever site or service referred a requestor to seek addition of their domain(s) to the list, projects not serving more then thousands of users are quite likely to be declined." Maybe the rules have changed, or maybe you were lucky? :)
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    - zamadatix 1y ago
      Ah yeah, looks like it was added in 2022 https://github.com/publicsuffix/list/wiki/Guidelines/_compare/7159affa2a56e2090c67ba9d08e97c6fc31e9e89...9636b47db674f65a16f3c461315ae01bf018822e https://github.com/publicsuffix/list/wiki/Guidelines/_compar... Thanks for the note!

faust201 1y ago

> but it's hard to argue that they don't have a gigantic influence on the whole internet, no? :) Then don't relate this to safe browsing. What is the connection? You could have just written a one liner. Google has too much power. This has nothing to do with safe-browsing. In fact you could write... - USA/China/EU etc has too much power.. You use the word relative in another reply.. Same way.. My employer has relatively too much power...